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Subj:  Welcome!
Date:  93-09-22 16:55:44 EDT
From:  AFL Allen
Posted on:  America Online

Welcome to the new Zoomer/GEOS Development board!

As information comes available on how to develop for the new Tandy Zoomer and Casio PT-5000 PDAs using GEOS, the information will be posted here.

Christopher Allen - AFL Allen

Subj:  Zoomer Developers Sought
Date:  93-09-22 19:50:34 EDT
From:  TACTIX
Posted on:  America Online

We are an East Coast-based, unique medical software design and development company with many interested end-user parties waiting for demos. We are looking for interested, qualified, dedicated individuals to program fully-functional, "bullet-proof" demos per our direction; some tasks simple, some more complex. We are GEOS Beta Partners and currently have our programmers on the West Coast busy with other programming projects. Send E-Mail to TACTIX.

Subj:  What development tools.....
Date:  93-09-25 09:49:55 EDT
From:  ADunkel
Posted on:  America Online

...are available for Zoomer? I'm considering adding the Zoomer platform to a project in progress for Windows, to support mobile communications. Is a Sun workstation still required, PC compilers supported etc? What kind of support can I expect from Casio and Berkley ? Also contact names would be helpful.

Thanks, ADunkel

Subj:  What tools?
Date:  93-09-25 11:36:28 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Here's a press release about the GeoWorks Developers Conference:
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GEOWORKS ANNOUNCES FIRST SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS CONFERENCE:
"GEOS: THE NEW PROFIT PLATFORM"

BERKELEY, Calif. -- GeoWorks, creator of the GEOS(R) operating system, will host its first software developers conference Monday - Tuesday, Oct. 25 - 26, at the Hyatt Regency, Burlingame, Calif. The two-day conference, "GEOS: The New Profit Platform," will highlight the opportunities available to independent software vendors (ISVs) in the emerging market for low-cost, high-volume consumer computing devices (CCDs).

GeoWorks provides the underlying system software for the Zoomer(TM) Personal Digital Assistant (PDA), a handheld, pen-based device developed jointly with Tandy, Casio, Palm Computing, Intuit and America Online. GEOS is also the system software for several soon-to-be-announced CCDs that will be low-cost and have long battery life. The market for these types of mobile devices is poised for explosive growth and will eventually exceed that of the personal computer industry, according to industry analysts.

During the conference, attendees will receive, free, GeoWorks' new Software Development Kit (SDK) and senior executives from hardware manufacturers will be discussing their marketing plans for new devices utilizing GEOS system software. GeoWorks OEM partners participating in the conference include Tandy, Casio and other major, worldwide consumer electronics companies.

Other speakers include Brian Dougherty, chairman and CEO, GeoWorks, who will provide his vision of the long-range opportunity for mass-market consumer computing devices. Jeff Hawkins, chairman of Palm Computing, will address the benefits of GEOS' rapid product development cycle.  Analysts Bruce Stephen, director of PC hardware research, International Data Corp.; William Ablondie, vice president, BIS Strategic Decisions; and Kenneth Dulaney, vice president Mobile Business Strategies, Gartner Group; will discuss their perspectives on the opportunities this new market will create.

"Companies looking to develop for PDAs and other GEOS-based mobile devices will hear firsthand which markets have the most potential and learn about specific opportunities for developing vertical market applications," said Dougherty. "Attendees will have access to fellow developers, our hardware partners and key industry analysts who will provide technical comparisons of existing operating systems, overviews of support that's available in the market today and feedback on 'killer applications.'"

Marketing track sessions will include an analysis of how selecting the right operating systems could impact the profit potential for ISVs and a review of why this market holds tremendous opportunity for high-volume horizontal or vertical applications that meet users' needs.

The technical track lineup includes a GEOS system software overview, a detailed session on GeoWorks' new toolkit for developers, an engineering overview of Zoomer and a look at how to work with PIM Data.

The Hyatt Regency is located at 1333 Bayshore Hwy., Burlingame, Calif. To register, call GeoWorks at 1 [phone], ext. 1214. The cost for attending is $445 for early-bird registrants and $595 after Oct. 6.

# # #
Located in Berkeley, Calif., GeoWorks is the developer and publisher of the GEOS graphical operating system and application software. The company provides sophisticated and highly efficient system software that will enable hardware manufacturers to market low-cost devices with extended battery life that deliver rich functionality. GeoWorks also develops applications in the communications, entertainment and information management markets. GeoWorks products are available worldwide through OEMs, dealer channels and republishers.

GEOS and GeoWorks are registered trademarks of GeoWorks in the U.S. and other countries. All other trademarks are the property of their respective holders.

CONTACT:
Deborah Dawson
GeoWorks
[phone]



Subj:  Registration Form
Date:  93-09-25 11:38:14 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Geoworks Developer Conference '93
Early Registration Form
(Please Type or Print Clearly)

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PAYMENT OPTIONS
Conference Early Registration Fee: $445
After October 6th, 1993 Registration Fee: $595
Make check payable to :
GeoWorks Developer Conference '93(mail to: GeoWorks Developer Conference '93
c/o Danieli & O'Keefe Associates
490 Boston Post Road
Sudbury, MA 01776 USA)

Purchase Order Number: ____________________________________
(please include a copy of P.O. with your reply)
Billing address if different from above:
_________________________________________________________
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Please charge my credit card:
(  )AMEX  (  )VISA  (  )MASTERCARD  (  )DINERS CLUB

CARD NO:
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SIGNATURE: ______________________________________________________
PRINT NAME OF CARDHOLDER:
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FAX TO: GeoWorks Developer Conference '93  508/443-4715
FOR MORE INFORMATION CALL: 508/443-3330 or 800/524-1857
PLEASE NOTIFY US IF YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS
For hotel reservations call: Hyatt Regency Burlingame
800/233-1234
415/347-1234
REMEMBER - YOU MUST RESPOND BY OCTOBER 6, 1993
TO QUALIFY FOR EARLY REGISTRATION FEES!

CANCELLATION POLICY: Confirmed registrants who cannot attend and do not send a substitute are entitled to a refund of paid fees, less a $50 processing fee, if a request is received in writing on or before October 6, 1993. Registrants are liable for their full fees after that date.

Subj:  Compuserve and GeoWorks
Date:  93-09-25 11:41:23 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

... and here's a press release about CIS and GeoWorks
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GEOWORKS AND COMPUSERVE TO BOOST MOBILE COMPUTING

WORLDWIDE ON-LINE SERVICE COMPANY COMMITS TO GEOS PLATFORM

BERKELEY, Calif. -- GeoWorks has garnered support from CompuServe Inc., bringing the world's leading on-line information service and its Host Micro Interface(sm) (HMI(sm)) toolbox to the software company's GEOS(R) operating system platform. GEOS will be the first operating system for mobile devices to include CompuServe. In addition, GEOS developers will be able to obtain support via a forum on the CompuServe Information Service.

GEOS is the leading, object-oriented, graphical operating system designed for the emerging class of personal digital assistants (PDAs) and other mobile devices. GeoWorks licenses its technology to OEMs for a wide range of products.

As developers and CompuServe create new software on GEOS, traveling professionals will have immediate access to CompuServe's array of information sources, including news, stock quotes and weather briefs. More than 1.4 million members will also be able to send and receive electronic mail messages as they travel around the world, using CompuServe's GEOS-based interface on their PDAs.

"The ability to communicate anytime, anywhere is critical to the success of consumer computing devices," Brian Dougherty, chief executive officer, GeoWorks said. "By partnering with CompuServe, we allow our hardware partners to bring the most extensive worldwide on-line services available today directly to their customers."

Under the agreement, CompuServe will bring its HMI toolbox to GEOS to facilitate development of a broad range of services for CompuServe users. Certified independent software developers can now create new software that runs on the GEOS platform to provide access to additional CompuServe services.

"GeoWorks has an established reputation as a leading player in the palmtop/PDA market and has strong support from major hardware manufacturers," said Jim Hogan, director of product marketing, CompuServe. "We are excited about our partnership and commitment to the GEOS platform and believe it will drive mobile computing forward."

GeoWorks and CompuServe are establishing a special service and support forum for all GEOS independent software vendors (ISVs) on CompuServe who are registered for GeoWorks developer support services. Members can post messages or communicate with other developers, upload and download files, obtain the latest GEOS information and submit technical questions to GeoWorks. The forum will be on-line Sept. 15, 1993.

ISVs looking for in-depth information on developing applications for the GEOS platform can attend the GeoWorks Developer's Conference, Monday - Tuesday, Oct. 25 - Oct. 26, 1993. The two-day session will focus on markets which have the most potential and specific opportunities for developing vertical market applications. Jim Hogan from CompuServe will serve as a panelist at the conference. The conference will be held at the Hyatt Regency Hotel, 1333 Bayshore Hwy., Burlingame, Calif. To register, ISVs can call 1-800-524-1857. For other information, ISVs can call GeoWorks direct at 510-644- 0883 ext. 749.

Located in Berkeley, Calif., GeoWorks is the developer and publisher of the GEOS graphical operating system and application software. The company provides sophisticated and highly efficient system software and markets targeted applications for an emerging class of consumer computing devices designed to communicate, entertain and manage information for mass market consumers. GeoWorks products are available worldwide through OEMs, dealer channels and republishers.

Established in 1979, the CompuServe Information Service provides its worldwide membership of 1.4 million with more than 1,700 databases and services to meet both business and personal interests. CompuServe can be accessed by any modem-equipped personal computer utilizing the CompuServe Information Manager graphical interfaces for DOS, Mac and Windows environments or the many third party user interfaces that take advantage of CompuServe's open architecture. CompuServe is an H&R Block Company.


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9/93

GEOS and GeoWorks are registered trademarks of GeoWorks in the U.S. and other countries. All other trademarks are the property of their respective holders.

CONTACT:

Holly Zmetrovich/Karl Fields
The Bohle Company
[phone]

Deborah Dawson
GeoWorks
[phone]

Debra Young
CompuServe
[phone]

Subj:  Zoomer/GEOS SDK
Date:  93-09-29 11:30:15 EDT
From:  JamesWPIII
Posted on:  America Online

Will there be two different SDK's, one for the Zoomer and one for GEOS?  When will the SDK be available?  I saw the posting on the Developer's Conference, but I don't have any plans on going to California to get one.  Also, how much will the SDK cost?  (without the conference)

Thanks,

James


Subj:  SDK
Date:  93-09-29 13:16:12 EDT
From:  CasioTech
Posted on:  America Online

James

The number for GeoWorks is 510-644-9362 and they can give you all the pertent details on the SDK packages.  Hope this helps.

Scott CASIO Tech Support

Subj:  SDK
Date:  93-09-29 18:36:49 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

There is one SDK for all GEOS-based devices, including the upgrade, the Zoomer, and the Sharp.  In addition, any other devices can easily be added to the same SDK in the future.

Call 1-800-GEOS-SDK for ordering information.  I believe it will be available for $99 on the date of the developer conference.

Pete.

Subj:  GEOS SDK, more info
Date:  93-09-30 14:08:32 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

One of the best ways to get some introductory information about the GEOS Software Development is to call Geoworks' automated fax service (510-644-0883, extension 720) and request documents number 1001, 1002, and 1003.

Document #1001 outlines the contents of the SDK, the training and developer support plans, and contains registration and order forms.

Document #1002 contains information about the development opportunities that the SDK represents.

Document #1003 provides information about and an order form for the upcoming Developers Conference.

All three documents are also available electronically here on America Online in the GeoWorks Files section of the Software Library at keyword GEOWORKS. They are currently in GeoWrite 2.0 format (requires Ensemble 2.0) and will soon be available there in ASCII format, also.

Steve

Subj:  Files in Library
Date:  93-10-04 01:38:44 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

There are three new Text files in the GEOS DEVELOPMENT Library located in the Mac Developement Forum under SIG .  These files concern the GEOS development conference on October 25 and 26, 1993 and the other two files are for information on the GEOS Zoomer Development Kits.

Jeff

Subj:  sound capabilities
Date:  93-10-04 08:32:46 EDT
From:  CKee
Posted on:  America Online

gw anyone,
2 questions reguarding the speaker drivers on the z7000 platform:

1. is there a ".wav" driver that developers can access for playing tunes?

2. can we generate dtmf tones?

thank you,

ck

Subj:  Jeff, where?
Date:  93-10-05 01:10:03 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<There are three new Text files in the GEOS DEVELOPMENT Library located in the Mac Developement Forum under SIG .>>>

I'm confused. I uploaded three files to this forum that answer the most frequently asked questions about the GEOS Software Development Kit, which is the PC-based set of software tools required for creating applications that run on the Zoomer and other GEOS-based fourth wave devices.

I uploaded them here in this forum at the request of AFL Allen, so folks interested in developing applications for the Zoomer could easily find them. And they ended up where? In a MAC forum?

I tried to upload them to the PDA Development library, but that area reports "under construction."

Steve

Subj:  Jeff... oh, now I see...
Date:  93-10-05 01:29:07 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

After looking around a little bit, and finally going in through the Mac Computing forums, I now see that this message board is linked into two or more places. Since I don't use a Mac, I'd always entered via keyword PALMTOP and that's where I uploaded the files about the GEOS SDK.

In any case, it seems a bit strange that the software libraries destined to contain files about the GEOS SDK are only available via the Mac Development forum. The GEOS SDK is PC-based and has nothing to do with the Mac.

Steve

Subj:  GW Steve...
Date:  93-10-05 08:34:28 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Steve,

Sorry for the confusion... AFL Allen asked us to place all development files in his area.  So thats how they got there.  I agree, Geos in the Mac area is a bit unusual.  Of course, the PDA Forum is a bit different in that we are a multiplatform forum.

I will move the files back to our PDA Zoomer library, and perhaps distribute copies to other areas.  We are also trying to get the problems resolved that PCers are experiencing, like the "under construction" message you received.  Right now, Mac and PCers get a completely different view of the forum, and we both are missing out on a couple of items.

Craig

Subj:  More on files (GW Steve)
Date:  93-10-05 08:56:29 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Steve,

I have uploaded additional copies to the PDA Forum's Zoomer library.  They can be found there now, and the other files are still in the Development area (so if anyone tells a friend "I found 'em in Mac Development," they will still find them there, too).  I forgot to mention that we also had placed the Conference announcement in our News & Press Releases section.

Craig

Subj:  Thanks, Craig!
Date:  93-10-05 11:44:23 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

I finally looked around enough to understand how uh.."cross-linked".. the area at keyword PALMTOP is with the Mac software and deveopment areas.

Thanks for spreading the word!

Steve

Subj:  Your Welcome, Steve!
Date:  93-10-05 20:26:06 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Steve,

We are also linked (or will be) with the PC areas, too.  Not sure what the schedule for that is -- hopefully very soon!  Just think of the PDA Forum as the crossroads to AOL! : )

Craig

Subj:  SDK Available
Date:  93-10-14 10:33:56 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

CONTACT:     Holly Zmetrovich/Karl Fields        FOR
IMMEDIATE RELEASE
         The Bohle Company
         [phone], ext. 227/233

         Deborah Dawson
         Geoworks
         [phone]


GEOWORKS ANNOUNCES SDK FOR GEOS;
TOOLS PUT MOBILE MARKET WITHIN REACH

    BERKELEY, Calif. -- The GEOS*  2.0 Software
Development Kit (SDK), an all-inclusive set of application
tools and documentation on CD-ROM, will be commercially
available Oct. 15 from Geoworks.  The SDK provides
everything software developers need to create applications
for any hardware operating on the GEOS platform.
    The SDK runs in a cross-development environment, which
makes it possible for developers to create a single
application for multiple consumer computing devices (CCDs),
like the Zoomer personal digital assistant (PDA) from
Casio/Tandy and the PT-9000 personal information assistant
(PIA) from Sharp Electronics, simultaneously.
    To do this, SDK users need two PCs connected by a
serial cable or a PC connected to the CCD itself.  The first
PC, the host, is for developing and debugging the
application code.  The second unit runs the application.  If
developers are using a PC as the second device, the SDK will
emulate the user interface (UI) of the CCD, allowing
developers to debug their applications in the same look and
feel of that specific environment.  Users can also debug
quickly and easily between environments.  This unique two-
machine set up allows SDK users to design high-quality
applications that will run across a wide range of products.
    The beta version of Geoworks' SDK will feature user
interfaces that emulate the Zoomer, the PT-9000 and PCs.
    Geoworks also designed the SDK to be fully extensible
to support new GEOS-based CCDs as they become available.
The kit includes support for devices with pen input.

-more-
Page -2-

    "We believe the new consumer computing device market
will consist of many different types of products," said
Brian Dougherty, chairman and CEO, Geoworks.  "So we wanted
a flexible SDK that would accommodate diverse development
needs."
    Among the tools included in the Geoworks SDK are the
GEOS debugger, SWAT, which developers can program to create
their own custom debugging commands; a Linker (GLUE), which
lets users link together file dependencies; a Resource
Editor, which enables non-programmers to translate the
applications to foreign languages; and an Icon Editor, which
allows developers to create custom icons.
    Developers attending Geoworks' first developer
conference Oct. 25-26 will receive the SDK free of charge.
The conference will highlight the opportunities for software
developers in the CCD market and will include presentations
by top Geoworks executives, senior executives from the
company's  hardware partners Casio, Tandy and Sharp
Electronics and key industry analysts.  "GEOS:  The New
Profit Platform" will be held at the Hyatt Regency,
Burlingame, Calif.  To register, call Geoworks at 1-800-524-
1857, ext. 1214.  The cost for attending is $595.
    Geoworks is making its SDK available on CD-ROM at $99,
which includes all development tools and on-line
documentation in ASCII, PostScript and FrameReader formats.
A hard copy of the documentation is available for $295.  To
order, call Geoworks at 1-800-GEOS-SDK, beginning Oct. 15.
    Located in Berkeley, Calif., Geoworks is the developer
and publisher of the GEOS graphical operating system and
application software.  The company provides sophisticated
and highly efficient system software and markets targeted
applications for an emerging class of consumer computing
devices designed to communicate, entertain and manage
information for mass market consumers.  Geoworks products
are available worldwide through OEMs, dealer channels and
republishers.

# # #


GEOS and Geoworks are registered trademarks of Geoworks in the U.S.A. and other
countries.  All other trademarks are the property of their respective holders.

10/93

Subj:  Royalty fees
Date:  93-10-14 15:07:00 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  Is there a royalty fee associated with developing & distributing a GEOS program, as with the Newton OS?

--Steve

Subj:  Nope!
Date:  93-10-14 16:26:12 EDT
From:  JamesWPIII
Posted on:  America Online

This question was asked somewhere here in the forum before, be the response was "no royality fee."

Hope this helps.


Subj:  Thanks
Date:  93-10-14 22:57:31 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  Thanks.  I'm a newcomer to this forum.  I thought I'd read every message in this particular folder and hadn't seen anything about it.

--Steve

Subj:  Thanks
Date:  93-10-14 22:58:40 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  Thanks.  I'm a newcomer to this forum.  I thought I'd read every message in this particular folder and hadn't seen anything about it.

--Steve

Subj:  Thanks
Date:  93-10-14 23:00:26 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  Thanks.  I'm a newcomer to this forum.  I thought I'd read every message in this particular folder and hadn't seen anything about it.

--Steve

Subj:  Oooops!
Date:  93-10-15 10:21:10 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  yesterday, I kept getting an error (System is not responding) every time I tried to post the previous message.  Guess it went through after all :D

--Steve

Subj:  Infra-Red Standard on Z-7000
Date:  93-10-19 01:21:39 EDT
From:  PabloG
Posted on:  America Online

What IR standard does the Z-7000 follow.  Is it the Sharp standard used by Newton and Sharp (unlikely)?  Is it the HP-SIR standard recently voted on by the IRDA standards committee?  What other devices can the Z-7000 communicate with using this technology?

Thanks

PabloG

Subj:  geos SDK & OS/2
Date:  93-10-19 02:55:10 EDT
From:  Tech500
Posted on:  America Online

I know that the recomended setup for writing GEOS apps is to have two computers hooked up via a null modem.  But I wonder, what if I have OS/2 my 486.  Could I have both copies of GEOS running at once - Target & profiler versions? Or is 2 PC's a set-in-stone REQUIREMENT to use the SDK?

a question that I thought needed to be asked,
   Tech500

Subj:  IR on the ZOOMER
Date:  93-10-19 14:25:23 EDT
From:  Pelham123
Posted on:  America Online

Pablo
The Casio Z-7000 uses a Casio standard for it's short range two-way I/R.  The Newton uses the Sharp 'ASK' protocol.  The standard of which you mention is still VERY much in a state of flux.  Only this coming Thursday, there's another meeting, this time at Apple.

The Z-7000's 21 foot TX-ONLY squirt mode uses the standard US domestic I/R band, thus leaving it WIDE open for developers to produce all kinds of nice home control applications.  This is a unique feature of the Casio PDA.

As it stands, not one PDA can talk to another via I/R, but this will of course change in future generations.

Cheers Nigel


Subj:  SDK:  Two machines
Date:  93-10-20 15:29:17 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Using two machines for GEOS development is a set-in-stone requirement.  One of the reasons for this is that during final testing, you will want to have your debugger attached to an actual Zoomer/PDA device.

Pete.

Subj:  Confused
Date:  93-10-20 16:19:15 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  I'm a little confused by that last message.  Does two computers mean a PC and a Zoomer or Two PC's (and a Zoomer)?
   One of the reasons I'm considering the Zoomer over the Newt is because the cost of developing for the Zoomer would be less than for the Newt (given that I already have a PC & a Mac).  However, having to buy another PC would change that.

--Steve

Subj:  Zoomer IR
Date:  93-10-20 23:54:36 EDT
From:  JRatner
Posted on:  America Online

The Zoomer uses it's own IR. The HP SIR looks good but was not available until much too late for Zoomer. Two Zoomers can talk and early '94 their will be a PC/printer IR interface.

Subj:  Two PCs:  clarification
Date:  93-10-21 12:52:01 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry about my earlier vagueness.

You can use a Zoomer as your target device for development.  However, we (Geoworks) strongly discourage doing so because your development time will be greatly extended.  For example, if you were writing a program that had to run on an 8088, would you *use* an 8088 for development, or would you only use the 8088 for final testing?

Doing development using a Zoomer device at the target will be tremendously slow for many reasons.  If you're just doing extramely simple programs, though, you may be able to live with the slowness.

Again, we recommend using two powerful machines to speed development time, then doing final testing and debugging only at the end of your development cycle on the device itself.

Pete.

Subj:  Zoomer is HOT!
Date:  93-10-21 20:35:14 EDT
From:  R Weiss
Posted on:  America Online

I work part time at a Radio Shack in Bensalem, and the Zoomer is HOT!  We sold the one we got the first day!  Anyone from the Bensalem or Phila area want a demo, call 215-638-0918 and ask for Rob!  This is an unbelievable Machine!

Subj:  Developers Discounts for Zoomer?
Date:  93-10-23 00:15:08 EDT
From:  HLonnie
Posted on:  America Online

Are any of the Zoomer-compatible PDA's makers offering a package to developers?  I have in mind something like a bundle of hardware (system, I/O cables, etc.) sufficient for development and testing.  Naturally, a discount would be very, very helpful.

Lonnie Smith


Subj:  Cheapest 2-way public wireless
Date:  93-10-23 00:26:14 EDT
From:  HLonnie
Posted on:  America Online

When I get my Zoomer device the first thing I want is an inexpensive 2-way paging/E-mail connection.  I am aware of Radio Mail, Ardis, RAM, etc.  They are too expensive I feel.

The services from MetroCall (aka, FleetCall), SkyTel, PageNet, etc., seem to promise *FUTURE* delivery of such services.  Has anyone seen any info on such a system that is available now (or in the very near future) using a PCMCIA card suitable for a Zoomer product?

My vision is to use AOL as a gateway to that service and then gateway via AOL to MCI Mail, EZLink, the Internet, etc.  Are others interested in such services?

Lonnie


Subj:  Cheap 2-way wireless (HLonnie)
Date:  93-10-24 09:20:10 EDT
From:  RLockhart
Posted on:  America Online

> When I get my Zoomer device the first thing I want is an inexpensive 2-way paging/E-mail connection.  I am aware of Radio Mail, Ardis, RAM, etc.  They are too expensive I feel. <

You've two disparate functions listed .. "2-way paging".  Paging's inherently an outbound "broadcast" animal and hits it's link's stride in the Wireless Data Food Chain in 'one to many' distribution of data while two-way is geared to bi-directional, one-to-one transactions.  (RadioMail, BTW, provides Internet gateways to both.)  In the two-way WAN arena (with the 'W' in WAN reaching out to a National scale), ARDIS and RAM are probably the least expensive "per packet" services for datagram-like messages but you won't get real-time links to AOL (or CIS or AppleLink et al) with these Packet Data services like you will with the higher priced spread of cellular .. just 'store and forward' of EMail.

> The services from MetroCall (aka, FleetCall), SkyTel, PageNet, etc., seem to promise *FUTURE* delivery of such services. <

Isn't MetroCall a Paging RCC?  I thought FleetCall became NexTel or somesuch.  SkyTel and PageNet are both Paging RCCs and, as such, do not support two-way transactions.  SkyTel, however, *has* announced NWN .. Nationwide Wireless Network .. a limited return two-way system, but that won't be available for another year or so according to their PR.  The company that FleetCall became (NexTel?) already has trunked two-way data available but I know of no PCMCIA trunking transceiver planned.

> Has anyone seen any info on such a system that is available now (or in the very near future) using a PCMCIA card suitable for a Zoomer product? <

The only Wireless stuff *I*'ve seen announced by the Casio/Tandy crew is with our paging-based NewsCard on EMBARC and/or Wireless Access' paging-based AccessCard.  There are *also* LAN-based products that *could* potentially be used with the Z-7000, but I've not seen an announcement concerning driver availability.  WAN-based two-way products (Packet Data (ARDIS, RAM) or CDPD/Circuit-Switched (Cellular)) are still in the development 'pipeline'.  (See the Motorola PR pieces I UL'd to the 'General/Utilities' Lib.)

> My vision is to use AOL as a gateway to that service and then gateway via AOL to MCI Mail, EZLink, the Internet, etc.  Are others interested in such services? <

<cocking head and waving hand> .. *Meee*-e-e-e!  And I *am* using RadioMail for the outbound leg of that right now.

  Rob, a  Motorolan

Subj:  Cheap 2-way, Part Deux (HLonnie)
Date:  93-10-24 09:26:07 EDT
From:  RLockhart
Posted on:  America Online

BTW, wouldn't this've logically been a question for the Wireless folder?

  Rob

Subj:  Cheap 2-Way Paging (again)
Date:  93-10-26 22:34:50 EDT
From:  HLonnie
Posted on:  America Online

Rob,

I actually got the two-way paging term from a report on the parent company of SkyTel (MTel of Jackson, MS?) which called it just that.  Based on your description I think you call this service NWN.  I'll pass on what I read and perhaps you can tell me if it matches.

The idea is that you communicate with another subscriber by broadcast message only.  That is, you recieve a broadcast message (your address is unknown) and when you respond you create another broadcast message (don't know how you get it in to the system!) in return.  That way there are no "smarts" in the network software or hardware to handle roaming or hand-offs. It is supposed to be inexpensive.

They called it "paging" because there is a maximum  message length and it is somewhat small in size.  I guess they are trying to keep the new concept (NWN?) distinct from the existing services like Radio Mail.

Does that sound like a match?

Subj:  Cheap 2-Way Paging (again)
Date:  93-10-26 22:39:52 EDT
From:  HLonnie
Posted on:  America Online

Rob,

I actually got the two-way paging term from a report on the parent company of SkyTel (MTel of Jackson, MS?) which called it just that.  Based on your description I think you call this service NWN.  I'll pass on what I read and perhaps you can tell me if it matches.

The idea is that you communicate with another subscriber by broadcast message only.  That is, you recieve a broadcast message (your address is unknown) and when you respond you create another broadcast message (don't know how you get it in to the system!) in return.  That way there are no "smarts" in the network software or hardware to handle roaming or hand-offs. It is supposed to be inexpensive.

They called it "paging" because there is a maximum  message length and it is somewhat small in size.  I guess they are trying to keep the new concept (NWN?) distinct from the existing services like Radio Mail.

Does that sound like a match?

Subj:  BARCODE/NEWTON
Date:  93-10-30 14:46:16 EDT
From:  BonnetP
Posted on:  America Online

Our company is specialized in software development.
We look for a barcode reader than we can connect on the Newton.
Please contact us: Pascal BONNET
SLO informatique
Saint Etienne France
Phone [phone]
 Fax: [phone]

Subj:  WIRELESS MODEMS?
Date:  93-10-31 23:23:36 EDT
From:  Speedobox
Posted on:  America Online

HAD A BRIEF CHAT WITH A FELLOW WHO SAID IT WAS JUST AROUND THE CORNER......SOUNDS PERFECT FOR PDA'S....ANYONE HERE SAME? NOT MUCH OF A COMPUTER
BUFF, BUT IT SEEMS IMPOSSIBLE TO ME

Subj:  wireless folder?
Date:  93-11-02 01:20:29 EDT
From:  JSachs
Posted on:  America Online

RLockhart mentions that there is a wireless folder; where is this folder to be found?

Subj:  PCMCIA Expansion...
Date:  93-11-02 01:21:18 EDT
From:  SouthernJW
Posted on:  America Online

Maybe I was seeing things (I can't find it now!) But has anyone developed a PCMCIA card that expands to allow other PCMCIA cards to attach to? Like a master PCMCIA with several others hanging off of it (I guess similar to SCSI chain?)

My purchase of a Zoomer rests on the ability to be able to:
A. Have enough memory
B. Be able to fax/print
C. Xfer data to my desktop

All at the same time? Is that a snowflake in hell I just saw?

Thanx,
John Williams
Image Systems Technology

Subj:  Cheap 2-Way (HLonnie)
Date:  93-11-02 07:58:45 EDT
From:  RLockhart
Posted on:  America Online

> I actually got the two-way paging term from a report on the parent company of SkyTel (MTel of Jackson, MS?) which called it just that.  Based on your description I think you call this service NWN. <

If SkyTel, then NWN.  Didn't I just answer this somewheres else?

  Rob

Subj:  snowflake from hell
Date:  93-11-02 14:02:51 EDT
From:  CasioTech
Posted on:  America Online

John,

The Z-7000 comes with 352k available user memory.
With a modem and or pc/printer cable(s) you will be able to send faxes through AOL and print directly to a serial printer, parallel printers will need a serial to parallel converter.
With the new Palm Connect package you will be able to transfer data to your pc. BTW the cable that comes with the Palm Connect package can be used on an external modem with the necessary null modem adapter.
Hope this help you out in making a decision. If I can be of any more help please let me know.

Scott CASIO Tech Support

Subj:  EMBARC (Scott CASIO Tech)
Date:  93-11-03 05:27:23 EDT
From:  RLockhart
Posted on:  America Online

Scott .. how's your testing with EMBARC going?

  Rob, a Motorolan

Subj:  Testing
Date:  93-11-04 09:47:19 EDT
From:  CasioTech
Posted on:  America Online

Rob,

Sorry to say but there is nothing new to report. As soon as I have (good) news to report I will post it all here.  Hang in there

Scott CASIO Tech Support

Subj:  Looking for Zoomer Devleopers
Date:  93-11-04 15:18:44 EDT
From:  Emergent
Posted on:  America Online

Do you develop software for Zoomer?  Then I need to hear from you.  I'm the editor of a new magazine called Double-Tap.  It is all about developing software for PDAs, both from a technical and a business perspective.  I'm looking for some good technical articles on programming with GEOS for our next issue.  We pay 10 cents a word, and will make you famous beyond your wildest dreams.  If your interested please contact me.

Steve Wilson
editor
Double-Tap
[phone]
emergent

Subj:  Double-Tap
Date:  93-11-04 16:42:18 EDT
From:  ActionVrb2
Posted on:  America Online


  How do we go about getting a subscription to "Double-Tap"?  What's it cost?

--Steve

Subj:  ZOOMER IS REALLY HOT!!!!
Date:  93-11-08 19:16:22 EDT
From:  Miguelf
Posted on:  America Online

Someone that worked at radio shack part time said that it was really HOT! He's right I also work at radio shack part time and we are selling out of them.

Zoomer is a better machine than Newton.
It is capavle of saving your writing unlike the newton.
It comes with quicken, notepad, address book and telephone book

People that have questions about the zoomer call
203-374-6670
ask to speak to mike.



Subj:  Barcode readers
Date:  93-11-09 15:42:03 EDT
From:  GW PETER
Posted on:  America Online

I don't know why BonnetP is posting Newton Questions in a Zoomer area, but in case anyone else is wondering, barcode reader support is available for Zoomer, as we demo'ed at our developer conference.  Feel free to email me with questions or inquiries.  For fastest results, mail my internet address:
[e-mail]

Peter Hollingsworth
Geoworks

Subj:  Zoomer Potential
Date:  93-11-11 00:47:49 EDT
From:  Glove801
Posted on:  America Online

I bought my Zoomer about a week ago and can't keep my hands off of it.  I'm wondering if anyone knows if there will be software upgrades and other apps via PCMCIA or PC link in the near future?

Subj:  Double-Tap
Date:  93-11-11 16:27:37 EDT
From:  Emergent
Posted on:  America Online

The first issue of Double-Tap is fresh off the presses.  To get your copy call the Software Frameworks Association at [phone].  The subsciption price is $50/year, a total of six issues.

Double-Tap is a magazine aimed at PDA software developers.  It contains articles on:

* Programming Newton, Zoomer and others
* Distributing your software
* What users want
* News and updates

The PDA software market is much different from the PC market.  Double-Tap will help you find your way in this new market place.

Subj:  Accessing Ink on Zoomer?
Date:  93-11-11 20:17:32 EDT
From:  CMusciano
Posted on:  America Online

How do you access the Ink->Text capabilities on the Zoomer?  The SDK docs are very vague on Ink in general, and say nothing (that I could find) about converting Ink to text.  Don't tell me that Palm's HWR library is proprietary!  How can I write apps that recognize Ink, too?

Subj:  boss/zoomer interchange?
Date:  93-11-12 01:41:49 EDT
From:  DrRobby
Posted on:  America Online

I have a casio boss sfr20 and am considering upgrading to a zoomer or newton but want to avoid having to re enter the 1000 or so names, addresses, and tel #s I have. I have my files backed up on my desktop.  Is is possible to move data from my casio boss to either machine or must I start over again? Also, know when the pager will be available for the zoomer? Thanks

Subj:  Ink recognition
Date:  93-11-12 11:03:26 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

For the most part, handwriting recognition is automatic in GEOS.  All the GEOS text objects automatically accept the pen input, call the HWR driver, and take the recognized characters as input.  If you want text recognition, just use either a GenText or a VisText object.

You can also use the Ink object in GEOS to take just plain ink input and store it.

Pete.

Subj:  MOTOROLA EMBARC CARD
Date:  93-11-12 12:29:36 EDT
From:  FTW ZOOMER
Posted on:  America Online

The Motorola Embarc Card (pager and newscard) will be orderable from Radio Shack before the end of November, according to the latest information.

Mike

Subj:  BOSS to Zoomer data port
Date:  93-11-12 12:46:47 EDT
From:  PalmTech
Posted on:  America Online

The transfer of data between the B.O.S.S. and the Zoomer is a 3-step process.  The data must be moved from the B.O.S.S. to a PC via PC-Link (and its associated cable).  Once on the PC it can be imported into PalmAddress within PalmConnect and sent over to the Zoomer via PalmConnect's serial connection.

PalmConnect began is currently shipping.  Order by calling 1-800-881-PALM.

Subj:  Anyone got PalmConnect yet?
Date:  93-11-12 19:18:09 EDT
From:  PDC Mike
Posted on:  America Online

Just wondering if anyone has gotten the Palmconnect software yet

Subj:  Try
Date:  93-11-12 21:39:40 EDT
From:  AVIATOR 01
Posted on:  America Online

Do you want somebody to test your stuff?
I am brand new to this but I found my way to your section:  I'll give it a try.

Subj:  Palm Connect
Date:  93-11-15 15:55:06 EDT
From:  LloydWass
Posted on:  America Online

PDC Mike:  Yes!  I just received Palm Connect this morning and have been working with a beta version for a few weeks.  great stuff, and it looks, acts and feels just like the Zoomer-based version of the apps (except faster... )  <g>

Check it out... it offers a lot of powerful capabilities and works reasonably well within Windows...

- Lloyd

Subj:  RE:PalmConnect
Date:  93-11-15 20:49:43 EDT
From:  PDC Mike
Posted on:  America Online

Can't wait till I get mine!

Subj:  MODEM CONNECTIONS ZOOMER
Date:  93-11-17 22:33:30 EDT
From:  VictorP393
Posted on:  America Online

Can someone advise me which Pocket Modems can be used with the Zoomer and what connection cable I need to go from Zoomer to this modem.
Thanks in advance ! VictorP

Subj:  Sound Descrepancy...
Date:  93-11-18 00:24:02 EDT
From:  DavidLang
Posted on:  America Online

The manual with my Casio Z-7000 states that if you turn sound off in the preferences, that the unit will still alarm you in the date book when an event happens.  My unit is silent completely with the sound off in preferences.  Is this a problem with my unit or a problem with the documentation?


Subj:  Sound
Date:  93-11-18 16:35:35 EDT
From:  CasioTech
Posted on:  America Online

David,

This is unfortunatly an error with the documentation. If you turn the sound off in the Preferences then yes, the unit will become silent. Sorry

Scott CASIO Tech Support

Subj:  Calculator...
Date:  93-11-18 21:35:02 EDT
From:  DavidLang
Posted on:  America Online

The Z-7000 box says it has a "Full Function" Calculator.  When I think of a Full Function calculator, I think of my CASIO fx-991D.  Will there ever be a "fx-991D" scientific calculator for the Zoomer?

Also, I have done a lot of Windows Programming using several  C & C++ compilers.  Should I attempt GEOS Programming?  Does anyone know if my Turbo C++ for windows will work with the GEOS SDK?  How about Microsoft Quick C for windows?  Or maybe Microsoft Visual C++ for windows?

                                                     David


Subj:  DavidLang, No it won't...
Date:  93-11-18 23:27:36 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

...work.  The only *approved* compiler for the Geos SDK is the Borland C++ 3.1 compiler.  Something to do with the 32 significant character names, and something else. ;)  Can't quite remember the full explanation, BUT...it works here. (When I don't muck it up.;)

You'll also need a CD ROM, and a second computer, preferably a 286 or above, as the target machine.  A 386 with 8 meg RAM, is minimum for the host machine, with a 486 w/8 meg being recommended.  It works....(gave me a good excuse to get one too. ;)

The SDK, is available from Geoworks for $99.00 and from what I hear, the printed docs and CD is available for $499.99.  If you're still interested, the number to call is 1-800-GEOS-SDK.

Cami Lee


Subj:  PDA Cards
Date:  93-11-23 17:26:59 EDT
From:  Keys93
Posted on:  America Online

Is someone working on a "Holy Bible" card for the Zoomer?
I am a Sharp Wizard owner and I use this card the most!!!!

Subj:  Installing custom tokens
Date:  93-11-24 16:34:13 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

I can't seem to figure out how to get my apps to display their icon in the File Manager display.  If I minimize my program, it displays the proper icon, but in File Manager it just appears as the sphere-in-box icon.  I've tried stealing the code out of Benoit, but I still can't get it.  Help, Mr. Wizard!

Dr. Zoom
Dave Goodman


Subj:  Deferred ink recognition
Date:  93-11-24 16:36:10 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

I've read through the SDK docs on pen input, and the apps I've written so far convert pen input to text whenever I declare an input field, but I haven't found any info on storing ink and having it recognized later.  Could we get some pointers on that?  Thanks.

Dr. Zoom
Dave Goodman


Subj:  Sampled sound sync'ing
Date:  93-11-24 16:37:20 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

Currently whenever I play a sampled sound in my apps, I use the timer to calculate when the sound should be done playing.  Is there any way I can query the system to find out if there's still sound playing in the queue?

Dr. Zoom
Dave Goodman


Subj:  Installing tokens
Date:  93-11-25 21:31:00 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

A reader writes:

"Dear Dr. Zoom:

How can I get my geode to display an icon in the Zoomer File Manager?

Confused in California"

Dear Confused:

As near as I can tell, the Zoomer is more finicky about displaying geode icons.  I got mine to display by sending myself a MSG_GEN_PROCESS_INSTALL_TOKEN message at program startup.

Keep those cards and letters coming.

Dr. Zoom


Subj:  GEOS v. PenPoint
Date:  93-11-27 23:48:35 EDT
From:  KennyB613
Posted on:  America Online

Anyone out there compared PenPoint to GEOS ?
Am developer for PenPoint looking potential to expand into Zoomer.


Subj:  Basic For Zoomer ??
Date:  93-11-28 02:15:22 EDT
From:  Stip
Posted on:  America Online

OK, I'm thinking about getting a Zoomer (or whatever it's called) and want to know if I WILL BE ABLE TO PROGRAM IT ?? I'm not a developer I just me and I want to program this thing to do what I want. Does anyone know of a "visual basic" like language that would run on ONE system (not the two system set I've read about here) and allow me to program simlpe things.. I guess I'm thinking of the HP-48sx which I have programed to do things not at all related to a calculator. Before I get the ZOOMER, I want to know what I can make it do.

Subj:  Stip. In a word...No.
Date:  93-11-28 18:18:05 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

The Geoworks SDK is the only access at present, for programming the Zoomer. It has to be developed on a Desktop Host machine and a Desktop target machine, the host machine being minimum a 386-33mhz w/ 8MB RAM, and a target machine of 8088 with the recommended minimum being a 286 for faster testing. It has to be capable of running Geos 2.0 applications.

The SDK itself is $99.00 and comes on a CD, so a CD ROM is neccessary.  The other software that's required is Borland C++ 3.1 (the only supported compiler).

If you're interested, you can order the SDK by calling 1-800-GEOS-SDK.

Some programmer may come up with some kind of visual basic tools, but that is not expected for awhile.  For the moment, you should be able to program in "C", and be fairly up on Object Oriented Programming (OOP) concepts.

Sorry if this isn't what you wanted to hear.

Cami Lee


Subj:  Automagic launching
Date:  93-11-28 21:37:05 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

How do I write my geode so that the user can click or drag DOS files and my geode will be launched.  Then, how does my geode find out what launched it?  Thanks.

Dave


Subj:  icons/tokens on Zoomer
Date:  93-11-29 11:35:57 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Icons must be installed by the application on the Zoomer; it doesn't happen automatically like in the Ensemble 2.0 product.  This was a design decision that actually makes a lot of sense when you think about it:  If the user ever deletes the token database (via file manager or hard reset), the file manager could take a long time to re-load icons.  Additionally, if the user never hard-resets, the token database could grow out of control, taking up the RAM disk space.

Pete.

Subj:  The easy way's better!
Date:  93-11-29 23:43:27 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

Boy, do I feel stupid.  Sometimes I do all kinds of stuff to make something work, only to find out there's an easy way.

Using the clipboard.  I copied huge chunks of code out of CLIPSAMP.GOC and hacked it to work in my program.  I got it working okay, but I couldn't
figure out how to get my GenText object to tell me when text was selected or de-selected so I could enable/disable the items on my Edit menu.  Well, it
turns out, alot of the examples in the SDK are how to do things the hard way, when you want special features.  They don't always emphasize the easy way to do things.

To implement the clipboard, you put an EditControl object in your menu.  Then you add this object to the GCN list for SELF_LOAD_OPTIONS.  Then, tell your
GenText object that it is GA_TARGETABLE.  That was my biggest downfall.  Once I told my text object it was the target, and told my editcontrol object to
talk to the target, the two got along together just fine.  No code!  The text object and the editcontrol work together to cut, copy, paste and enable/
disable the menu items.

Doh!

Dave


Subj:  autoexec & config files
Date:  93-11-30 15:41:13 EDT
From:  HSCH
Posted on:  America Online

Does anyone know how to change or add lines to the autoexec.bat or config.sys files on the Zoomer. Scott from CASIO told me it could be done, but did not say how.
Reason: Need to install a device driver for the serial port.

Thanks anyone,

Herman Schnell
(HSCH)

PS: This device has potential!!

Subj:  Autoexec & Config files
Date:  93-11-30 20:05:13 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

I haven't tried it, but here are my suggestions:

Before doing anything, make sure you have a good backup.  If you foul things up, you may have to do a hard reset and lose everything on your B: drive.

The AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS files are on your A: drive, which is ROM and can't be changed.  Copy the files to your B: drive.  (If you have a RAM card, you might try putting them in the root of C: drive so if all else fails you can pull the card and reboot normally).

After copying the files, edit them with the editor in America Online.  Be very careful about wrapped lines.

Reboot and hold your breath.

Note: I've heard that the serial port in the Zoomer is a non-standard serial port.  Are you sure that your serial driver will work on this machine?  Where'd you get it?

Good luck.

Dave


Subj:  No Basic ??
Date:  93-12-01 22:42:21 EDT
From:  Stip
Posted on:  America Online

Is it just me or is there anyone else out there that thinks TWO Machines, OOP C++, and Only One Approved Complier is just a LITTLE bit weak on development tools for the Zoomer (and I guess, GEOS in general)

Guess I'm just getting out of touch with this stuff...

Subj:  Stip..
Date:  93-12-02 00:14:41 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

Considering that the SDK has been whittled down from *requiring* a SUN SPARC Station, and that all of the objects were written in Object Oriented Assembly, and the language needed to use the SDK is C, and not C++......I'd have to say that your latter statement is the most likely one that's true.

Cami Lee


Subj:  Stip, programming
Date:  93-12-02 03:53:08 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

The only way, currently, to program full-on applications for the Zoomer is the GEOS SDK.

However, if what you mean when you say "program" is just to be able to design a graphical database record for gathering data on a Zoomer, for example, then perhaps a product like Form Factor, soon to be released by Meta Pacific, will suit your needs.

Steve

Subj:  GEOS SDK
Date:  93-12-02 11:49:22 EDT
From:  DColburn
Posted on:  America Online

Stip,

Actually, you COULD develop with one machine and a Zoomer, but it would take you much longer to develop and debug.  Geoworks recommends using a "fast 486" as your development/host machine (for writing & compiling the code), and a "fast 386" as your development target machine.  I don't see why you couldn't use any 8088 or later as a development target machine, except that you may age several years going through the development/debug cycle --but you might ask Geoworks about that.

Cami's right, you are actually writing 'C' code on top of GEOS.  The Borland C++ compiler is used because it supports long symbol names.  Geoworks has done a NICE job with its object-oriented operating system, allowing non-OOP programmers to take advantage of OOP without being OOP experts at the start (though you will certainly gain OOP experience during the development of a GEOS application).

I've used the SDK with both the Sun SPARC station using Object Assembly, and the C SDK using two PCs.  Geoworks has done a nice job with both.  The new C SDK exists as a result of customer demand for a C programming environment.  Who knows, if enough people demand BASIC, they may implement a BASIC compiler on top of GEOS (though I think I'd prefer the C environment).

Also, Steve has a good point about Form Factor from Meta Pacific.  From what I have seen of the product, they have done a great job in handling data collection applications, and may expand their base even further.

Subj:  Need Authors
Date:  93-12-02 19:25:38 EDT
From:  Emergent
Posted on:  America Online

I'm looking for people who will be willing to write about their experiences using the GEOS SDK.  I'm the Editor of Double-Tap magazine, a publication for PDA developers.  We are attempting to cover the entire PDA development spectrum, which includes Zoomer.

We pay competive rates, and give you a cool tee shirt.  I'm looking for either one time articles, or regular columnists.  If your interested contact:

Steve Wilson
Editor
Double-Tap Magazine
[phone]
[e-mail]

Subj:  Two machines
Date:  93-12-03 16:34:11 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Stip:
Geoworks has not announced that our SDK is the best development environment to ever see the light of day.  Far from.  In fact, we have a very ambitious plan to upgrade our existing tools and to produce (and more importantly encourage ISVs to produce) new and better tools for GEOS.

You might think our SDK is a little "weak," but we think it's very powerful.  The problem is that in putting our effort into making the power available, we had to put off solving the "ease of use" problems, which is your chief complaint.  The ISVs who have taken the time and made the investment to begin using the SDK are returning very positive feedback to us.

What does this tell me?  Our SDK, like any product, is aimed at a certain type/level of user.  You, apparently, are in a different category and require different things out of your tools.  In the future, we will provide tools or help others provide tools which will be aimed at your category.  (Form Factor is a good example.)

Pete.
PS:  Our SDK also allows development of desktop applications and applications for the PT-9000.  When we or partners announce further platforms, our SDK can be used to program for those as well.

Subj:  Quality of SDK
Date:  93-12-03 18:46:08 EDT
From:  DColburn
Posted on:  America Online

Pete:

Don't apologize for requiring two machines.  Sure, it may seem like a lot at first, but the power of GEOS, and the SDK are well worth the investment.  This SDK is one of the better early development systems I have worked with (and I've seen my share of them) and is by far one of the most powerful.  You folks should be damn proud of the job you've done so far (and appear to be doing as we speak).

Dave

Subj:  INCENTIVES & PROTECTION
Date:  93-12-04 12:02:32 EDT
From:  JJBIII
Posted on:  America Online

Our talented entrepreneurial group is new to the PDA "realm" but  we sense that clearly there are opportunities, needs and wants, for big vertical market development -- to really accelerate the consumer and business use of PDA's.

Please tell us how truly innovative programs may be rewarded...
What kind of proprietary protection can be obtained?  Patents? Copyrights?  Any examples of small/private/independent developments that have scored big already??

Looking forward...!

Subj:  HELP
Date:  93-12-04 20:03:03 EDT
From:  Brce854
Posted on:  America Online

How do I search the software library without having to individually scroll if I know the topic I want?

Subj:  HELP (Brce854)
Date:  93-12-04 22:11:28 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Unfortunately, you cannot search our libraries yet.  A search feature will be added to the PDA Forum soon (not soon enough for me).

If you have trouble finding a file, let us know and we'll try to direct you to it.

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader

Subj:  INCENTIVES & PROTECTION
Date:  93-12-05 00:54:17 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

Innovative programs are rewarded by selling well and making money for the publishers and creators.  Copyrights prevent others from stealing your program and selling it.

It is my belief that patents stifle the software industry.  The reason that software has advanced to the stage that we're at is by programmers utilitizing the latest technology in their programs and continually improving on it.  The "open" architecture systems are the ones that continually succeed in generating profits and expanding their usefullness.  Would Lotus or Autodesk be so popular if their programs weren't written so that 3rd parties could develop for them?

Dave


Subj:  Patents
Date:  93-12-05 12:11:33 EDT
From:  PDC Markus
Posted on:  America Online

As always, this is an interesting debate.   The most common form of source and object code protection is copyright.  However, after recent court decisions, more and more patents are being granted on software.

Which provides the greatest "incentive?"  Well, both give you monopolies on your code, but copyrights last longer (lifetime + 50) and don't require full disclosure of your source (just the first few pages, usually when you register).  A patent last for only 17 years (or 14) and require full disclosure of your source code and an explanation of how it works.

The idea with patents is that we grant you a monopoly in exchange for the social good of telling everyone how your idea works.  In 17 years, anyone can use it.  However, this seems like too long a "lead" time for competitors in the software industry.  17 years means several generations of technology later.

Copyrights, if they take on aspects of trade secret, could provide too strong an incentive for people to develop code.  It might provide the most burdensome monopoly, since you have the longest duration (life+50) and you don' t have to disclose anything.  If legislation passes that you don't have to file your souce with the copyright registrar (even now, you can "black  out" sections or even offer the first few pages only.), then you have strong protection.  So much protection, in fact, that the public will not gain disclosure of your techniques for a long time.

For these reasons, many people are proposing a special incentive/protective measure for software as a special category of intellectual property.  This measure will either grow out of existing copyright law, or be entirely new.  Some factors that people would like to see in this are :

- Shorter duration of protection, reflecting the nature of the rapidly changing technology.

- Full disclosure, so people can study the techniques involved.


Markus

P.S.  The protection of APIs or other code interface specs is another related issue.  Today, after the Sega case, it would seem one has a limited right to reverse engineer an API in order to gain access to a market - if its the only way you could have done so.

Subj:  Help publishing for PDAs
Date:  93-12-05 19:46:14 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Geoworks offers an extensive and flexible publishing program for ISVs.  We have a tremendous amount of knowledge of the PDA market, the hardware being developed, and the markets that will be growing over the years to come.

For these reasons, we are offering "publishing" services to our ISVs.  The reason I use quotation marks is that many of the marketing services we offer aren't really "publishing" per se but marketing consulting for the ISV.

If you're interested in learning more (anyone, not just the person who put out the original question), please email me.  I will pass your name, company name, and phone number on to the manager of our publishing program, who can answer your questions.

Pete.

Subj:  GW Dudley
Date:  93-12-05 21:58:54 EDT
From:  PDC John
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for the information on GW's assistance available to developers.. That's appreciated!  I'm sure some folks out there will take advantage of that!

John

Subj:  Developer Support
Date:  93-12-06 20:17:57 EDT
From:  Emergent
Posted on:  America Online

The next issue of Double-Tap has several articles on getting your PDA software published.  We have articles from Mary Long of GeoWorks, and Bruce Mendel of Casio.  (We also have an article from Kathy Schline at Apple's Starcore for those of you doing Newton development.)

The next issue of Double-Tap should be available in the first week of January.

Steve Wilson
Editor
Double-Tap

Subj:  Boot-Up sequence
Date:  93-12-06 22:15:14 EDT
From:  HSCH
Posted on:  America Online

Anyone,

What is the Boot up sequence of the Zoomer?
B: A: C: or
C: B: A:
All drives have bootable system software.

Thanks,

Herman Schnell (HSCH)

Subj:  Double-Tap...
Date:  93-12-07 00:38:17 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

For those of you who haven't seen it, I recommend that you give Double-Tap a try.  It is quite good, especially for such a new publication.

Craig

Subj:  Double Tap
Date:  93-12-09 01:26:19 EDT
From:  Steveola
Posted on:  America Online

Please tell me more about Double Tap.

Subj:  Steveola...Doubletap
Date:  93-12-09 08:50:13 EDT
From:  PDC John
Posted on:  America Online

Steve:

The online contact for Double Tap should be Emergent, and I've sent them a message on your behalf asking for more information to be sent to you!

Enjoy!

John

Subj:  Booting the Zoomer
Date:  93-12-10 12:23:47 EDT
From:  HSCH
Posted on:  America Online

I did not get the answer to my previous question about the booting sequence, this is what I want to know:
Is it possible to boot from the RAM Card if the AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS files are copied to the B: Drive?

Anyone?

Thanks

Herman
HSCH

Subj:  Zoomer internal ROM
Date:  93-12-10 12:27:41 EDT
From:  HSCH
Posted on:  America Online

I just learned that the Zoomer's internal ROM memory is actually a FLASH ROM. This allows futures upgrades of the GEOS operating system.

I just wonder how much is it actually being used and how can we use it for storage.

Just wondering...

Herman Schnell
HSCH



Subj:  Help with AOL and Zoomer
Date:  93-12-12 14:52:57 EDT
From:  DRWHEELS
Posted on:  America Online

My Zoomer doesn't seem to work. Or at least I can't get AOL up with the modems, I've used.  The modems all work fine with my PC's and my cable (the one from Palm Connect) works OK, but not together. What's UP?
Gene Cook

Subj:  AOL & Zoomer (DRWHEELS)
Date:  93-12-12 15:04:30 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Do you have a null modem adapter connected to your cable?  If not, I suspect that is your problem.  You can pick up a generic null modem adapter from Radio Shack for about $4-$5.

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader

Subj:  Please send me some info . .
Date:  93-12-12 15:11:42 EDT
From:  Historical
Posted on:  America Online

About any new software or hardware under development for the Zoomer or other PDA/Palmtop. I also need to know what niche do users feel our new newsletter could fill. Comments, suggestions!! I'll do my best to put out an interesting, professional and most importantly useful PDA/Palmtop newsletter by Jan. 15, David

Subj:  Using Palm Cable w/modem
Date:  93-12-13 01:05:09 EDT
From:  PalmTech
Posted on:  America Online

Just a reminder that the PalmConnect serial cable will work with a modem if a 9-pin to 9-pin null modem adapter is inserted between the cable and 9-25 pin adapter, but it is NOT licensed with the FCC, and therefore we can't encourage its use.

Jack, Palm Tech Support

Subj:  Booting Zoomer
Date:  93-12-13 11:55:25 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Zoomer will boot from a RAM card, I believe, if that card contains some special files.  Unfortunately, I don't know what those files are.  You should post the question in the Zoomer folders (as opposed to the Zoomer developers folder) for a better answer...

Pete.

Subj:  info on Zoomer apps/hdwe
Date:  93-12-13 11:57:51 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Your best bet on getting information on Zoomer stuff is to call Casio, Tandy, or Geoworks and ask for the public relations department and get them to send you whatever released information there is.

Typically, those of us doing the support for the development environment don't have all the information that would be most interesting to you, and if we did we wouldn't have authorization to give that out as we leave it up to our ISVs to announce their own intentions.

Pete.

Subj:  Modems,
Date:  93-12-16 10:07:09 EDT
From:  CasioTech
Posted on:  America Online

Gene,

Exactly how are you trying to connect to AOL?  What type of modem are you using? Which cable do you have?  You can also call me at CASIO Tech Support.

Scott CASIO Tech Support

Subj:  PCMCIA (SCOTT CASIO TECH)
Date:  93-12-16 17:53:59 EDT
From:  LAKER  KID
Posted on:  America Online

SCOTT, CALLED CASIO TECH SUPPORT ABOUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE (MEGAHERTZ) PCMCIA MODEM CARD.

IS THERE ANYTHING NEW.
                                                  TOM.......

Subj:  EMBARC (SCOTT CASIO TECH)
Date:  93-12-16 17:55:16 EDT
From:  LAKER  KID
Posted on:  America Online

SCOTT,

ALSO IS THERE ANYTHING NEW ABOUT THE EMBARC NEWSCARD?????????
                                                TOM

Subj:  Laker Kid
Date:  93-12-16 19:11:49 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Please turn off your Caps Lock key... all upper case words are considered "SHOUTING" online.

Thanks,

Craig

Subj:  Thanks and Sorry
Date:  93-12-16 19:47:35 EDT
From:  LAKER  KID
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry, I was not shouting just dumb..........

Subj:  Zoomer and modems
Date:  93-12-17 02:00:23 EDT
From:  HOGRIDE898
Posted on:  America Online

I'm using a converted Zeos PPC modem made by MHZ and had problems as well.  Problem was solved when I cleared the pre and post modem strings in the AOL setup.  BTW this is NOT my idea, my thanks go to another online here whose title escapes me just now.  Just passin' along some good advice.

HOG

Subj:  Zeos PPC Modem
Date:  93-12-17 09:17:14 EDT
From:  BSKelly
Posted on:  America Online

>I'm using a converted Zeos PPC modem made by MHZ

What is meant by "converted"?  Did you have to make any physical changes to the modem to use it with the Zoomer?

Is it a PCMCIA modem or external modem?

Thanks,
Bri

Subj:  ZOOMER/GEOS KEYBOARD
Date:  93-12-17 21:30:33 EDT
From:  HAMHAM
Posted on:  America Online

We are planning to use the zoomer for some industrial form filling apps. but since the handwriting recognition isn't mature yet, and the On-Screen keyboard that comes with the system itself requires a lot of concentration to hit the right keys, we have decided to develop our own keyboard. We are also new to the GEOS SDK and are, sort of, intimidated by the inadequate or should I say "NEW Programmer UNFRIENDLY documentation and/or ONLINE HELP". We would be thankful if someone would advise us on how to go about it. THANKS

Subj:  GEOS CONSULTANT OPPURTUNITY
Date:  93-12-17 21:43:45 EDT
From:  HAMHAM
Posted on:  America Online

Consulting oppurtunity in Connecticut.
Skills required: expertise in GEOS SDK kit for the PDAS(Zoomer).
Please send Resume to :
                                       FAX #:  [phone]
                                       ATTN: DR. NAGESH KADABA
                             OR     CALL:   (203)-731-6337  /   (203)-731-6389
                                                    MON-FRI,  8AM-5PM.


Subj:  Hamham, SDK & keyboard
Date:  93-12-18 16:02:36 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<we have decided to develop our own keyboard. We are also new to the GEOS SDK and are, sort of, intimidated by the inadequate or should I say "NEW Programmer UNFRIENDLY documentation and/or ONLINE HELP". We would be thankful if someone would advise us on how to go about it>>>

The SDK can seem a bit "user surly" to the uninitiated, I suppose--it's a very powerful, yet relatively immature kit. The GEOS SDK is a professional development package, it's not intended for a beginner programmer. We assume that a developer who uses the SDK will already be fluent in C and somewhat familiar with object oriented design.

The usual starting places for someone new to GEOS development are to go through the Tutorial, read the Tools section of the docs, and study the Concepts chapters as appropriate to the intended project. Have you completed the Tutorial?

There is a user-helping-user support area for the GEOS SDK available here on America Online at keyword GEOWORKS, in the section called "Programming for GEOS."

Professional developer support is available via a private online forum and introductory training classes are also available from Geoworks. Read the text file "SUPPORT.TXT" in the root directory of the SDK CD for specifics about those items.

Steve Main
Geoworks Tech Support

Subj:  More getting started
Date:  93-12-20 11:06:39 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

Everything Steve said is good advice, but I'd like to add that Geoworks offers a training course to get you started.  From what I've seen, this training course can take several months off a good engineer's learning curve, and it's well worth the investment.

On your CD you'll find a file called TRAINING.TXT (in the root directory).  Read that for specifics on the course.

Pete.

Subj:  HAMHAM: Training Class
Date:  93-12-20 11:53:16 EDT
From:  DColburn
Posted on:  America Online

As a graduate of the "Geoworks University", I recommend that you take the class.  It is 5 days that will cut your learning curve down by at least several months.  Clayton Jung, the instructor, is EXCELLENT at giving you the basics required to learn Geos.  Even if you choose to have a consultant do the actual work, I recommend that you take the training class in order to get familiar with Geos -- to get a better understanding of what you should and shouldn't expect from Geos and the Zoomer.

It is WELL worth the investment of time and money.

During that week, you can also tug the ear of the Geoworks folks to see what you're best bet is for developing the application -- see earlier notes about Meta Pacific's product, for example.

Zoomin' along in the fast lane,
Dave

Subj:  GEOS Programmer Needed
Date:  93-12-27 19:15:56 EDT
From:  DavidD8884
Posted on:  America Online

I need to contact a professional GEOS programmer to develop a Zoomer application.  I prefer someone in Louisiana or the Southeast area.

I need to collect alpha/numeric data throughout the day and then export it into Paradox on a PC at the end of the day.  I may need to download initial data from Paradox at the start of the day.

Data collection must be in ink with conversion to ascii (e.g. no "keyboad" allowed).  Can I turn the Zoomer on its side to achieve a landscape display?

If you're interested please leave a message in DavidD8884 with phone number and I'll get back to you.

Subj:  Undefined Error Message
Date:  93-12-29 15:38:05 EDT
From:  JeffN57172
Posted on:  America Online

I got an undefined geos error, error code KRX-169 from Loaderec...what does it mean?

Thanks,
Jeff Nolan
Ross Systems

PS- I'm using a 286 portable as a target.

Subj:  Error Message
Date:  93-12-30 04:41:54 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Could you let us know what actions were being taken when it happened?
Maybe we could try to get it to do it with ours?
CasioTech should have a listing of the error codes (can't find mine)..
Can you duplicate it?

/*|*\
  ~~

Subj:  Re:Error Message
Date:  93-12-30 12:02:25 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

By "undefined error" it means that the error detector caught an error but couldn't figure out exactly what it was.  It's tough for us to tell if the software can't.
:-)

Doug had the right idea.  We'll need more information before we can be of much help.  Have you connected Swat?  What error message does it give you?  Please post the Swat output and a backtrace if possible.

Thanks,

Pete.

Subj:  Re:GEOS Programmer Needed
Date:  93-12-30 12:03:32 EDT
From:  GW Dudley
Posted on:  America Online

For data collection programs, you may want to investigate Meta Pacific's FormFactor product, which should be out pretty soon (contact them in San Diego for full information).  Their product sounds much like what you're hoping to get, and you probably don't even need to hire a programmer for it.

Pete.

Subj:  Re:GEOS Programmer Needed
Date:  93-12-30 14:52:02 EDT
From:  DColburn
Posted on:  America Online

Have you considered MetaPacific's Form Factor product (soon to be available)?  It sounds like what you are looking for...  I believe their number is [phone]

Subj:  Meta Pacific
Date:  93-12-31 05:29:56 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Their FAX # is 619-554-1376,
Ron Groth is the Director of evelopment, and AOL name for the company is MPacific

Great People..

/*|*\
  ~~

Subj:  Text Reader
Date:  94-01-02 02:38:47 EDT
From:  BSKelly
Posted on:  America Online

I am wondering if anyone is working on a text reader for the Zoomer.  I really want to try some of the electronic texts.

Bri

Subj:  Re:Text Reader (BSKelly)
Date:  94-01-02 11:31:48 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

I believe Dave Goodman is working on a text reader... hopefully he will have it finished in the near future.

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader

Subj:  Re:Text Reader
Date:  94-01-02 12:19:31 EDT
From:  BSKelly
Posted on:  America Online

Great, I look forward to seeing it (or any new Zoomer apps).

Bri

Subj:  Two more Zoomer files
Date:  94-01-02 12:25:04 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

We have just released two Zoomer files... updated Tips & Tricks from "Dr Zoomer" (Dave Goodman) in both text and Notepad formats.

Enjoy!

PDA Forum Staff

Subj:  Looking for authors
Date:  94-01-03 18:47:26 EDT
From:  Emergent
Posted on:  America Online

If you're developing software for PDAs then I'd be interested in hearing from you.  I'm looking for interesting articles for Double-Tap magazine.  Double-Tap is a magazine for PDA software developers.  I'm particularly interested in technical articles about GEOS!

Steve Wilson
Editor
Double-Tap magazine
emergent
[phone]

Subj:  Geos Consultants
Date:  94-01-03 18:47:57 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

A message thread for posting GEOS Consulting services offered/needed is located in GEOSDK.  It would help to keep all these messages together in one place.

-Ed-

Subj:  Re: GEOSDK
Date:  94-01-05 02:12:00 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<A message thread for posting GEOS Consulting services offered/needed is located in GEOSDK>>>

If you try to go to keyword GEOSDK, it might tell you that you don't have access. We're working on fixing that.

In the meantime, you CAN get to the area. Just go to keyword GEOWORKS and double click on "Programming for GEOS."

Steve

Subj:  Re: GEOSDK
Date:  94-01-05 15:43:48 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

Sorry about that Steve and everyone who tried keyword GEOSDK.  Sometimes I get ahead of myself.
RMOK (rapping my own knuckles).

-Ed-

Subj:  S'okay, Ed... but...
Date:  94-01-07 23:52:20 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

...next time, let me know, and I'll come rap your knuckles for you. That way we can get both hands at the same time. ::grin::

Steve "the schoolteacher" Main

Subj:  pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-10 05:07:50 EDT
From:  Oofanatic
Posted on:  America Online

I am trying to use the pccom program on my developer CD to backup files from my zoomer to the pc.  However, I am unable to get the cd command to work!  Any ideas?

Subj:  Re:pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-10 21:45:28 EDT
From:  DKGoodman
Posted on:  America Online

Don't forget the '!' at the end.  Example:

cd \geoworks\world!


Subj:  Re:pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-11 03:42:52 EDT
From:  Oofanatic
Posted on:  America Online

I am using the ! at the end.  However I always get a message that the directory is not found.  I am using the same case as is displayed when I have it display the directory it is currently in ("CD!").  Is this a problem with file name size differences?

Which reminds me of another question.  How do you deal with
files that have spaces in their names?

Subj:  Re:pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-11 13:28:38 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

PCCOM uses DOS filenames (filename.ext), not the GEOS filename.

example
If your GEOS directory path is 'workbench\my project'
you should type the following in pccom:
'<esc>CD\workbenc.000\my_proje.000!'

This is because GEOS takes the first 8 characters of the file (or directory) name, converts spaces to underscores, and appends a 3-digit extension (starting with 000 and incrementing until the entire file name is unique).

-Ed-

Subj:  Dev Needed
Date:  94-01-12 20:04:59 EDT
From:  FGRISSOM
Posted on:  America Online

We have an immediate need for a skilled dev. of palmtop and PDA application s/w.  Must know C; knowledge of GEOS or Newton a plus.  Upfront pay plus generous royalty sharing.  After 1-13-94, call David McGuire at 206-335-4470.

Subj:  Re:pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-13 03:37:02 EDT
From:  Oofanatic
Posted on:  America Online

Hummm.  I still cant get it to change directories.  The directory I want it to go to is DOCUMENT.  I have tried document.000 as well as the full path and it still doesnt work! Grrrr.  So far all I can do is LS and EX.

Subj:  Re:pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-14 19:34:39 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

Oofanatic,

Two things.

1) I was left out one large bit of info, sorry.  If the directory/file has 8 or less characters, the '.000' is not added.  So, use DOCUMENT, not DOCUMENT.000

2) You must type 'CD' in caps.
Ex. <esc>CDdocument!

-Ed-

Subj:  Re:pccom and zoomer
Date:  94-01-15 20:27:55 EDT
From:  Oofanatic
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks Ill try that.  I think you told me something else to, no space between CD and filename.

Ill let you know

Subj:  Zoomer is the Best
Date:  94-01-16 02:37:07 EDT
From:  MAJIK 1989
Posted on:  America Online

I work at Radio Shack and I've used the Zoomer. I've also seen the Newton, and think the Zoomer is a much better machine. I've had many customers say they like the Zoomer better.

Subj:  Wireless modems?
Date:  94-01-17 00:00:54 EDT
From:  JSachs
Posted on:  America Online

Does anyone out there know of existing or forthcoming wireless modems in PCMCIA or serial configurations? Any information will be greatly appreciated!

JSachs

Subj:  Wireless modems? (JSachs)
Date:  94-01-18 20:54:07 EDT
From:  RLockhart
Posted on:  America Online

> Does anyone out there know of existing or forthcoming wireless modems in PCMCIA or serial configurations? Any information will be greatly appreciated! <

There are wireless modems due out over the course of this year that'll cover each of the links in the Wireless Data Food Chain.  To get a glimpse of Motorola's plans in this regard, please check out the PR stuff in the Gen/Util lib here in PDA'ville .. try Motorola as a key word.

  Rob

Subj:  Help! Need screenshots!
Date:  94-01-19 17:10:43 EDT
From:  Suzanne182
Posted on:  America Online

I am a technical writer at Intuit, the developer of Pocket Quicken for Zoomer.  I really, really need to take screenshots of various Pocket Quicken and Zoomer system displays for some documentation I'm working on. I run a simulation of the Zoomer device on my PC. How can I capture screenshots of the various Zoomer screens? None of my normal screen-capture programs work!

Subj:  Re:Help! Need screenshots!
Date:  94-01-19 17:33:02 EDT
From:  DavidBlack
Posted on:  America Online

To get screen shots from the Geos target, you will need to use the Screen Dumper utility included with the Geos 2.0 SDK.  It will allow you to dump the entire screen, or just the current window to bitmap files on disk.  It is included with the NC (profiling) target in the Geos SDK.  A quick tip, if you are running the Zoomer target, place your mouse target on the icons at the bottom of the screen when you perform your screen capture.  For some reason, if your mouse cursor is anywhere else, Scren dumper will nto capture the entire screen.  Later, you can edit the bitmap to remove the icon bar graphics at the bottom of the screen.  Hope this helps, if you need any more help beyond this, drop me some private e-mail with your phone number and I'll give you a call.

David Black.

Subj:  Suzanne 182...
Date:  94-01-19 20:29:09 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

...David shouldn't have helped so fast....

Maybe we could get you to promise to get us a Geoworks Ensemble compatible transfer for your company's product files so we can use them in "our" environment rather than the Windows one that they will export to. ;)

Just a thought anyway. How about it Suzanne 182?  Maybe you could be successful where we have not. You know, us paying customers? ;)

Cami Lee


Subj:  Re:Help! Need screenshots!
Date:  94-01-19 22:39:08 EDT
From:  TRMGI1
Posted on:  America Online

I sure hope the fact that you need screen shots means that you're finishing up the manual for Pocket Quicken, and that it also means the product is close to shipping.  I'd really like to start using this function on my Zoomer effectively, but I'm stymied until you folks get the xfer software done!

Good Luck and Godspeed!
Doug


Subj:  Screen Dumper
Date:  94-01-20 08:17:38 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Suzanne,

You can download the Screen Dumper for GEOS from our software libraries here online at keyword GEOWORKS. Search the libraries for "dumperf" (without the quotes).

Read the help file for Screen Dumper to see all the various options for capturing the whole screen or portions thereof, and for including the mouse ponter or not.

Steve

Subj:  Re:Screen Dumper
Date:  94-01-20 18:57:18 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

I already send this to Suzanne, but I figured, others might be interested.  Its kind of a step-by-step for capturing screen dumps (courtesy of Geowork's graphic artist).

==========forwarded message==========
What you need to take screen shots from the Zoomer emulation are:
1. ScreenDumper. This is our own screenshot app, that runs in GEOS.
2. Some changes to the GEOS.INI file so that ScreenDumper does not shut down the moment you open the next app:
     Under the line [system] add two new lines that read:
     maxTotalHeapSpace = 41000
     memory = {disk.geo}
3. Put DISK.GEO into your C:\ZOOMDEMO\SYSTEM\SWAP directory ("ZOOMDEMO" is the directory the emulation is in; create "SYSTEM" and "SWAP" if they don't already exist.
4. Start up Zoomer Emulation
5. Start up ScreenDumper
6. Select on the ScreenDumper window what kind of file you would like it to save the dumps to; give those dumps a name--if you use the % symbol as part of the name, each successive dump will be increased by one number, so you would get something like DUMP01.PCX, DUMP02.PCX, etc.
7. Select the destination for the dumps
8. Go to the screen you want to take the shot of
9. Press Shift-PrntScrn to take a shot of the whole screen; position the cursor over the title bar of any dialog box and press F9 to take a shot of just the dialog box. There are many, many other options, but those are the two most commonly used ones.
10. You may need to clean up the dumps afterwards in any graphics program that supports the format you saved the screenshots to (this will probably guide your choice of format), since the Zoomer emulation shows mockups of the hardicons at the bottom of the screen, which you probably won't want to show in your documentation.


Subj:  Re:SDK:  Two machines
Date:  94-01-22 22:25:36 EDT
From:  BruceT1001
Posted on:  America Online

Gee, I just compiled and ran a (simple) app with the GEOS SDK
on the same machine.  No problem.  Of course I can't use the debugger, but so what?  I'll just hard-code my breakpoints and watches, the same way I do when I'm doing Windows programming.  Sure it's a hassle, but not as much hassle as I'd
go through aquiring another PC, finding room for it in my office,
and setting it up to run a debugger that I probably wouldn't use very often anyway.

Subj:  GEOS developers Group
Date:  94-01-28 03:06:32 EDT
From:  Larry Rau
Posted on:  America Online

If you live in the San Jose, CA area and are a GEOS developer respond.  The group will be focused on development issues including some product marketing, etc.

If you are interested respond to:
  Larry Rau

............larry

Subj:  Frame Reader for Windows
Date:  94-01-30 22:10:43 EDT
From:  RBottomley
Posted on:  America Online

According to the GEOS SDK, you can order Frame Reader for Windows from UNIX Central at a discounted price of $75. I called UNIX Central -- they don't know anything about this discount. I read them what it says in the SDK and they said they would get back to me.

They got back to me. It appears that a salesman who no longer works there made his own deal without telling anyone else. There is no discount on Frame Reader ( the normal price is $89.99).

Has anyone else ordered Frame Reader? It works fine on my machine at home; but at work it displays the letters on top of each other, rendering it useless. I played around with the INI file but am unable to get it working. Anyone else run into any problems?


Subj:  Z-7000 Accessories
Date:  94-02-01 22:09:17 EDT
From:  Fairbank
Posted on:  America Online

Scott- CASIO Tech Support:

I'd like to take you up on your offer to send me a complete, up-to-date, listing of accessories for the Z-7000 PDA.

Zeke Fairbank   (Fairbank on AOL)
82 Huntington Road, N.E.
Atlanta, GA 30309

Thanks...      Zeke

Subj:  Mac Interface
Date:  94-02-04 16:19:56 EDT
From:  ELSK
Posted on:  America Online

Is anyone out there actively working on a Zoomer interface for the Mac, or should I give up and buy a Newton?

Subj:  Re:Mac Interface
Date:  94-02-04 16:49:55 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Palm Computing is working on a Mac connection kit for the Zoomer.  Hopefully it won't be much longer.

You can always go to our Company Support area and check with Palm directly! :)

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader

Subj:  Re:Mac Interface
Date:  94-02-06 15:27:27 EDT
From:  PalmTech
Posted on:  America Online

Palm is making excellent progress on the Connection Kit for Zoomer to Mac.  We still have significant work to do, however, and are expecting a "mid-year" (that means "not March, but not too long.) release.  We think it will be worth the wait!  I'll be announcing it on these boards and in the Palm Forum in the Company Support area.

Jack
Palm Tech. Support

Subj:  Join Expedition to CeBIT
Date:  94-02-16 10:38:10 EDT
From:  PEN
Posted on:  America Online

JOIN PEN EXPEDITION TO CeBIT

     On March 16 through the 23rd, CeBIT takes place in Hannover, Germany.  This is the world's largest show covering consumer electronics technology with over 600,000 people attending.
     The Personal Computing & Communications Showcase (PC&C) at CeBIT is the focal point for the hybrid category combining computers, communications, and electronics technologies utilized in PDA's, Personal Communicators and Mobile Companions.  The PC&C Showcase is designed to attract the curious as well as trade, OEM and other industry contacts.  Attendance is estimated at 25,000 people per day through this area.  This is the only place at CeBIT where Apple will be showing the Newton.
     Of course, the huge multi-national electronics companies will be there, but many smaller companies (like us) find the travel and exhibit costs prohibitively expensive.  With this in mind, we've worked out a special arrangement with the organizers to allow "the rest of us" to participate.
     What we have is a Demo Stage where participating companies can give 30 minute presentations each day of the show.  Each company would also get a wall display with the company name and literature distributed at an information desk.  You don't have to speak German (an interpreter is provided) and your company will be listed in the electronic directory.  We have only 12 spots and they are available for $900 each.  Travel expenses will run you about another $2000 ($800 airfare, $750 accommodations, $50/day food) per person.
     Another option is to get an official booth location.  You can share half an 8 sq meter booth for $4000.  This is a turn-key booth with furniture, fully constructed.
    This is THE single most cost-effective way to market your products to the European market.  We've only got a couple weeks to finalize our line-up, so if you're interested, please contact us at 310/377-7858, via fax at 310/377-8218, or via email ASAP.


Subj:  Borland or Turbo 3.1
Date:  94-02-21 10:34:14 EDT
From:  Weijeng
Posted on:  America Online

Which compiler is really required?  There is a significant difference in price between the Borland branded compiler (DOS and Windows development environment) and the Turbo compiler (DOS only).  From what I've read I don't think that Borland C++ 3.1 is really necessary, and that the Turbo C++ 3.1 subset will fulfill the needs of the GEOS development environment, but thought that I would check with someone who knew for sure before spending any money (since software is hard to return).

Thanks.



Subj:  Re:Borland or Turbo 3.1
Date:  94-02-22 19:38:42 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

The GEOS SDK requires Borland C++ 3.1 (or 4.0).

Turbo C++ will not work.

The reason has to do with the long identifiers used in the GEOS SDK. Turbo C only supports 30 character identifiers. Some of the labels in GEOS are not unique in 40 characters, let alone 30.

Steve Main
Geoworks

Subj:  Access to BackEnd Databases
Date:  94-02-23 20:36:40 EDT
From:  StarDuck
Posted on:  America Online

Does the ZOOMER acces back end databases like ORACLE?
I use oracle 7 to develop decision support systems. If the zoomer has access to sql databases that would be a big plus!


Shawn Mathews

Subj:  Star's End
Date:  94-02-24 03:46:29 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Shawn,
     If you have the SDK, I suppose if you had the patients, you could build the access.
     FormFactor is a Data-Input manager. The output is processed back on your Desk-Top to export to an existing database. Only data collection is currently supported, not a lot of processing is involved.
     If you have some specific questions, let me know..

/*|*\
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Subj:  Looking for Zoomer Apps.
Date:  94-03-11 09:58:54 EDT
From:  MunsonD
Posted on:  America Online

I am looking to compile a list of all applications known (published or announced) for the Zoomer.  I have been unable to find this information anywhere.

Subj:  Re:Looking for Zoomer Apps.
Date:  94-03-11 13:43:30 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Mumson,

There's no list that I am aware of that has all the applications(published or announced) but I'll see if I can either get one or make one, I'll post it in the Zoomie folder so everyone can see it.If you happen to find one before I do please let us know.
Thanks
PDC Phil
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword PDA

Subj:  ADV Mobile - Barcoding
Date:  94-03-13 16:23:33 EDT
From:  BARCodeguy
Posted on:  America Online

Our forte is portable data collection ( i.e. barcoding).  We have the ability to interface barcode readers to units likr the Zoom. We began with the Newton,  put an app on the market, then tossed out the Message Pad with the Garbage.

We would like to begin the advernture of Zoom/7000 application development and accessory search etc..

Could any of you folks be so gracious to forward any info you may have.  I have read the messages back since Sept and still do not have a good grasp of what is going on in the Zoomer arena.

We are a Motorola EMBARC agent,  use the Newstream in the pager format but would like any info on Zoomer card.

Thanks for any help.

Subj:  Re:ADV Mobile - Barcoding
Date:  94-03-13 16:30:43 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

BArCodeGuy,

You may also want to take a look at our Wireless area message board and post a note to Rob Lockhart there requesting information on the Newcard and the Zoomer.  He may have some opinions.  I doubt he reads this board.


Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword: PDA to find us!

Subj:  PCMCIA modems & drivers
Date:  94-03-28 17:59:30 EDT
From:  PDenker
Posted on:  America Online

Radio Shack salesman tells me that no pcmcia modem will work with Zoomer until Tandy installs a driver on the unit.  What's the story?  I've gone through pcmcia modem installation with my subnotebook.  What do I have to do with the Zoomer?  What modem(s) can I use?

Patrick

Subj:  Re:PCMCIA modems & drivers
Date:  94-03-28 23:34:52 EDT
From:  PDC Chris
Posted on:  America Online

Patrick,

There is an AMT modem available that doesn't require any modification to your Z7000.  I thought it was available via Radio Shack.  Some messages here have indicated that Radio Shack can install a driver that will allow the Z7000 to work with any PCMCIA modem that requires 30mA or less to work.

Chris

Subj:  Re:PCMCIA modems & drivers
Date:  94-03-31 09:50:53 EDT
From:  RalphC
Posted on:  America Online

Patrick,.

The 2400 AMT Starcard (sold by Radio Shack) does not require any driver.  Just install it in the the card slot, change a couple of options in the Pref Menu & the AOL software.  And away you go.

Ralph

Subj:  New Zoomer??
Date:  94-04-05 21:03:13 EDT
From:  Tury
Posted on:  America Online

Last month my local Radio Shack dropped the price of the Zoomer from $699 to $599.  This month the price dropped some more to $499.  Usually this means that a new model is coming out and they are trying to clear their inventory.  Does anybody know the specs of the next Zoomer?  I have been unsuccessful in finding any info regarding this.  I would appreciate any info.

Subj:  Re:New Zoomer??
Date:  94-04-05 21:36:00 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Tury,

New Zoomer that's a new one on me...I'll check into it and see what I can find out though,anyone else hear anything through the grape vine?

Phillip Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Staff
Keyword PDA


Subj:  Re:New Zoomer??
Date:  94-04-05 21:45:59 EDT
From:  PDC Chris
Posted on:  America Online

Casio announced at WCES in January that there would be at least one new 'Zoomer' before the end of 1994.  I don't recall them giving any details then and I haven't heard any since.  Maybe it's a big surprise :-)!

PDC Chris
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword: PDA

Subj:  Re:New Zoomer??
Date:  94-04-05 23:05:43 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks Chris, I guess if you don't know, nobody will (G).  Except maybe Bill, Scott and the rest of the Gang.:^)


Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword PDA to find us!!


Subj:  Re:New Zoomer??
Date:  94-04-06 00:23:55 EDT
From:  PERAPPLIED
Posted on:  America Online


There are new Zoomers coming down the line, but it's not going to be a while.  The price is dropping because Apple has released a new Newton (MessagePad 110) and it's cheaper than it used to be.  Plus the older Newton is reduced and people are selling it used for under $300.

Expect the new Zoomers before Christmas.  I know no details.

Marty
Perfection Applied

Subj:  Re:Borland or Turbo 3.1
Date:  94-04-06 00:32:19 EDT
From:  PERAPPLIED
Posted on:  America Online

Steve,

I have the Borland C++ 4.0 (and the 3.1 as well).  What else, besides the GEOS Dev. Kit, do I need to do programs for Zoomer?

Marty
Perfection Applied

Subj:  Re:Mac Interface
Date:  94-04-06 00:40:53 EDT
From:  PERAPPLIED
Posted on:  America Online


Please make sure that the release will not be a PC port and be as Mac-like as possible.  Otherwise, it won't sell.  I'm not being a pessimist, but that's how it is is with Mac people.

Marty
Perfection Applied

Subj:  Re:Borland or Turbo 3.1
Date:  94-04-07 08:32:28 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I have the Borland C++ 4.0 (and the 3.1 as well).  What else, besides the GEOS Dev. Kit, do I need to do programs for Zoomer?>>>

Marty,

The Borland compiler and the GEOS SDK are the software you'll need in order to create applications for the Zoomer. You'll want two PCs, one of which is a 386 or better with 8mb of RAM or more. You'll need a null modem cable to connect the two machines and a free COM port on each for the connection.

You might want to use Windows as a task switcher for the tools and you might want FrameReader Browser to read the documentation on screen, but neither of those are required.

For more information about programming for  GEOS, try keywords GEOWORKS or GEOSDK.

Steve

Subj:  Wav.zip on Zoomer
Date:  94-04-08 01:04:59 EDT
From:  PcraigD
Posted on:  America Online

I downloaded wav.zip from the Geoworks Forum.  How do you use it on the Zoomer?  Is it just a replacement for the wav library in the \geoworks\system subdirectory or is there a way to play wav files on the Zoomer but not from within a program.  I am not a programmer so I may not be able to use wav.zip.

Thanks for the help.

Craig


Subj:  Re:Wav.zip on Zoomer
Date:  94-04-08 09:08:20 EDT
From:  PDC Chris
Posted on:  America Online

Someone else asked about this recently and got the following response:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
Subj:  Re:Does WAV player exist?
Date:  94-04-04 10:06:47 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on: America Online

WAV.ZIP, the file description that was posted several messages back, is an update for the GEOS SDK (the software development kit that is used to create applications for the Zoomer).

By itself, the file won't allow Zoomer users to play WAV files. It _will_ enable programmers to more easily create a WAV file player. But there is no WAV player application included in WAV.ZIP.

You can find the file by going to keyword GEOWORKS and clicking on the "Programming for GEOS" button. Or you can go to keyword GEOSDK (GEOSDK should be available to anyone now).

The file is copyrighted and may not be redistributed without permission.

There exists a WAV file player written by a third party programmer who has chosen, so far (as of this writing), not to distribute it to the public. When I asked why, I was told the programmer didn't want to have to provide customer support for it.

Steve
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


PDC Chris
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword: PDA

Subj:  I want to program my ZOOMER!!!!
Date:  94-04-09 15:24:21 EDT
From:  T Enforcer
Posted on:  America Online

HElp!!!!!

At first glance the thing appears to have no programming abilities whatsoever, do I need this SDK to accomplish this????
Appreciate any help I can get.

Subj:  Re:I want to program my ZOOMER!!
Date:  94-04-10 13:07:20 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

T Enforcer,

Yes,you do need a SDK to create applications for the Zoomer,currently I believe you can pick one up for around $100,which is VERY reasonable.

Phillip Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Staff
Keyword PDA


Subj:  Re:I want to program my ZOOMER!!
Date:  94-04-11 05:19:01 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<At first glance the thing appears to have no programming abilities whatsoever, do I need this SDK to accomplish this????>>>

The GEOS SDK is the toolset you need to develop applications for the Zoomer. The SDK is $99 and may be ordered by calling 800-GEOS-SDK.

Additional information about the SDK is available via a fax-on-demand system at 510-814-4266. Request documents 1001 and 1002--or--you can download the documents in ASCII format from the software libraries here on AOL.

If you've read those documents and still have questions, and if the folks who answer the order number can't answer them for you, then feel free to post your questions here, or at keyword GEOSDK, or--as a last resort--even send me email. :)

Steve

Subj:  IRE CALCULATOR.
Date:  94-04-21 01:23:48 EDT
From:  VirgilN
Posted on:  America Online

 IF GEOS IS LIKE THAT FOR THE COMMODORE YOU WILL HAVE TO TLAK TO THE AUTHORS OF BECKER BASIC WICH IF I REMEMBVER RIGHT THAT WAS WHAT WAS USED TO PROGRAM GEOS FOR THE COMMODORE

Subj:  Re:IRE CALCULATOR.
Date:  94-04-21 06:54:40 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

VirgilN,

Ack,turn the caps locks OFF!!!Your're screamin,any comments on that last message?

Phillip Torrone/PDC Phil
PDA Forum Consultant
KeyWord PDA is how to find us!
Check out our new Ezine Libraries, their Hot!

Subj:  Palm Connect and SDK
Date:  94-05-18 01:37:08 EDT
From:  Emmbee
Posted on:  America Online

We recently purchased both Palm Connect and the GEOWorks SDK.  I would like to move the Palm Connect Apps into my GEOSEC or GEOSNC directories and not maintain so many versions of GEOS on my hard drive.  Does anyone have any experience with this?  I'm not too concerned about whether Palm supports it or not, I just want it to work.  I tried copying the files over the geosec & geosnc directories, but that doesn't seem to work.

Subj:  Re:Palm Connect and SDK
Date:  94-05-18 02:30:03 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Embee,

To the best of my knowledge, neither Geoworks nor Palm has documented the process of combining Palm Connect with Ensemble 2.0 or with the SDK target software

However, some users have "combined" the two products into one directory.

There are libraries in the \SYSTEM directory in Palm Connect that are missing from the SDK target, and are required to support the Palm apps on the desktop. There may be other necessary system files. In general, the approach you mention (copy the files from Palm Connect "over" the files in the SDK target software) is the approach I would take, but I'm not sure if copying every file is the right thing to do.

The GEOS.INI file is perhaps the most difficult. You'll need to open the INI files from both products and figure out what keys and sections to copy from one to the other by hand to create an INI that works as you want it to. (If it's even possible to actually get what you want.)

Steve

Subj:  Re:Palm Connect and SDK
Date:  94-05-23 13:19:13 EDT
From:  Emmbee
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks, I figured I'd have to go that route.  If I make it, I'll post what I did.  zoom.
-mb

Subj:  Help!  GEOS 2.0 SDK Installation
Date:  94-06-02 22:31:31 EDT
From:  WPElliott
Posted on:  America Online

     I installed the SDK on my D: drive (which was an option) and found that I could not compile and link the Hello.goc example.  My ROOT_DIR environment variable was set correctly and active.  Borlandc is on drive C:.  To my surprise, I find that one file in D:\PCGEOS\INCLUDE and 29 files in D:\PCGEOS\INCLUDE\OBJECTS have hardwired "C:\PCGEOS\INCLUDE\..." and that even if I change all these occurances, it will not work.  I deleted the SDK from D: and reinstalled on C: in the same manner as above and everthing works fine.  Does anyone know what I can do about this because I would prefer to have the SDK on D: so that I can DBLSPACE my C: drive?  Please Email me an answer if you have one.
                                                                         Thanks,  WP Elliott

Subj:  Re:Help!  GEOS 2.0 SDK Installat
Date:  94-06-04 05:16:56 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Hi, WP!

You're the first person that I can think of who has reported a problem running the SDK on drive D:. I've compiled the sample applications on a D: drive and on an H: drive and I've run the SDK on compressed drives without any problem.

What version of the SDK are you using? V1.0 (beta) or the newly released V2.0? I don't know if I've tried running the newer version on drive D: yet.

You might consider posting a message in the SDK support area at keyword GEOSDK, where other folks using the SDK are more likely to see it.

Steve

Subj:  CompuServe/Zoomer/GEOS
Date:  94-06-04 11:28:22 EDT
From:  Raymond453
Posted on:  America Online

C-Serve keeps advertising an up-and-coming interface for the Zoomer that due out "..in May", for $10.00 download/connect time credit, but so far, I haven't been able to find it for download.

Does anyone know if it IS out, or is it just delayed.  I'm really interested in it.

Thanks
R. Ingraham
(raymond453)

Subj:  Re:CompuServe/Zoomer/GEOS
Date:  94-06-04 12:06:48 EDT
From:  ChrisPru
Posted on:  America Online

I talked to CIS support, and they said it will be out "any time soon."  The best bet is to watch the What's New This Week announcements when you log on.  I too am waiting...
Chris

Subj:  Low-Level Zoomer IR
Date:  94-06-09 23:25:26 EDT
From:  JockMurphy
Posted on:  America Online

OK, I got the Zoomer.  I got the SDK and am bringing myself up to speed (what's one more to learn ;-).  However, after an initial search of the docs, I can find (almost) no info on the IR interface.

I know that it can be used as just another serial port, in both short and long-range modes,  but can find no info on the low-level interface.  The kind of info one might want if they were trying to contol a VCR (for example) or collect data from another device.

Can anyone shed any light on this matter?

Subj:  Re:Low-Level Zoomer IR
Date:  94-06-10 10:29:12 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<I know that it can be used as just another serial port, in both short and long-range modes,  but can find no info on the low-level interface.>>>

Casio is the manufacturer of the Zoomer and only they could provide information about tht kind of low-level access to the infra-red port.

Steve

Subj:  Re:Low-Level Zoomer IR
Date:  94-06-11 15:32:07 EDT
From:  JockMurphy
Posted on:  America Online

>Casio is the manufacturer of the Zoomer and only they could provide information about tht kind
>of low-level access to the infra-red port.


Well, I doubt the 'only' part, but they cerainly are a source of that information and if I had a clue how to contact them I would ask.  Any Ideas?

Subj:  Re:Low-Level Zoomer IR-JockMurph
Date:  94-06-11 17:58:22 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Hey, never hurts to ask.  You can reach Casio at 201-361-5400... I'd ask if they have a developer support specialist.

Good luck, and let us know what happens.

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader
(Conferences every Wed. @ 9:30 pm Eastern - Keyword:  PDA)

Subj:  GenView and Triggers
Date:  94-06-20 19:53:10 EDT
From:  R Knopf
Posted on:  America Online

I've managed to confuse myself pretty well, so I was hoping someone could help me out.

I'm writing a simple dice roller for my Z-PDA.  I've defined my GenApp, and the GenPrimary has only one object, the GenView.  Within the view, I want to put a half dozen triggers, each calling a method that generates a random number, stored globally.  Then they are supposed to call  the redraw function, similair to the HELLO3's format of invalidating the view, and forcing an update.  But.. things aren't quite working right.  If I want to have a collection of triggers associated with a view, how do I do that?  Right now I have a VisContent object as the content of the view.  Any hints from anyone?

                        Rob


Subj:  Re:GenView and Triggers
Date:  94-06-21 00:50:14 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Bob,
     You will most likely get a faster answer to your question, if you access the Geoworks area here on AOL, and go to the Developer's button and post on their message area..
     Good Luck,

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Subj:  Re:GenView and Triggers
Date:  94-06-21 19:18:26 EDT
From:  R Knopf
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks, Doug...  Heading there now. :D

                    Rob

Subj:  I'm somewhat desperate here....
Date:  94-06-23 03:22:06 EDT
From:  Abikeman
Posted on:  America Online

I've had my Zoomer for several months and love what it does, but I want more, I've been unable to find any PCMCIA cards or
software for the device and I'm losing my mind.
Anyone who can offer any assistance?

Subj:  Re:I'm somewhat desperate here..
Date:  94-06-23 10:44:38 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

A,

Well, software is kinda scarce right now, but you can still obtain PCMCIA cards, Sundisk work well and they can be found at all/or most of the computer stores. Hang in there, and BTW we do have some Software located in our Zoomer Library, I have to say it's one of the most complete collections I've seen :) Hope this helps.

Phillip M Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword PDA is how to find us!

Subj:  Meet Author of IZL
Date:  94-07-28 01:40:25 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Meet John Feras, author of the Interpreted Zoomer Language (FreeIZL) at the Geoworks Conference in the Rotunda, next Tuesday, August 2, at 9 pm ET.

Find out what John has planned for the future of IZL and share your ideas with him about how he can improve his new language.

See you there!

Steve

Subj:  GeosSDK Help
Date:  94-08-12 14:31:01 EDT
From:  Just4Fun00
Posted on:  America Online

In the literature that Berkley puts out, it says that you use Borland C++ V3.1 with the SDK. Is this software a requirement to use the SDK or an addition. It seems that 3.1  is  an older version of Borland. What if a person has a different C++ ( Symatex or Microsoft or Borland 4.)?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Subj:  Re:GeosSDK Help
Date:  94-08-13 01:23:18 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Teh SDK supports versions 3.2 and 4.0 at this time (according to the info I have)...

I wasn't aware 3.1 was supported (naming convetion lengths....)

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Subj:  Re:GeosSDK Help
Date:  94-08-13 12:43:04 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

The GEOS SDK requires Borland C++ v3.1 or v4.0. Either of those versions will work.

No other versions and no other compilers are supported at this time.

Steve Main
Geoworks SDK Tech Support

Subj:  Re:GeosSDK Help
Date:  94-08-20 12:46:48 EDT
From:  Just4Fun00
Posted on:  America Online

Are there any plans to support other 'C' compilers?

Subj:  Re:GeosSDK Help
Date:  94-08-23 12:03:41 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<Are there any plans to support other 'C' compilers?>>>

Only Borland C++and Microsoft's C++ can handle the long identifiers used in GEOS. Of those, so far, only Borland has been willing to share with Geoworks the necessary information about their object code.

Other compilers may be supported in the future, but for now, the SDK requires Borland C++ version 3.1 or version 4.0.

Steve

Subj:  IZL Progress... Part I
Date:  94-09-26 01:27:19 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  IZL status report
Date:  94-09-26 00:37:31 EDT
Posted on: America Online (using the Internet)

Greetings from the IZL development labs,

Here in Pennsylvania, late summer is turning to quickly to fall, and only slightly behind schedule (but with more features than originally promised), version 1.0 of the IZL interpreter is ripe for release. With beta testing coming to completion, and with the finishing touches being applied to the user's manual, I thought I'd post a status report regarding the features in 1.0, along with some pricing information.

For those of you unfamiliar with the history of IZL, I released a FREEWARE version of this interpreted language for Zoomer/GEOS platforms in late July, with a promise to release version 1.0 in late summer. (Almost made it !)

Its been a busy summer, and listed below is a bullet list of the features and improvements that have been made to the product since its original FREEWARE release:

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Added array capability.

Added file I/O via extension of GET/PUT statements, and creation of new OPEN/CLOSE statements.

Creation of SEEKSTART, SEEK_END, and SEEK_HERE statements, for random access file I/O.

Added BYTESREAD global variable accessible from IZL functions, to indicate the number of bytes read from a file.

Added ability for functions to call functions.

Enhanced to allow DISPLAY, POSITION and VARIABLE definition statements to take expressions as arguments. In fact, anywhere that a numeric or quoted string literal can be used, an algebraic expression is also valid.

The user interface has been overhauled in such a way that IZL interpreter commands are invoked from a menu.  This overhaul also means that the problems the RUN, STOP, and TRACE button running off of the bottom of the display in the FREEWARE version are now history.

Added a new object, "menu_item", so that IZL programs can have functions invoked by a entries in a "pop-down" menu, not just buttons.

Added the INVOKES keyword for buttons and menu_items to name the function that they will invoke.

Added INVOKER pre-defined variable in functions to allow functions to detect which button or menu_item caused them to run.

Added FRAME objects to contain (be the parent of) other objects.

Changed the object definition statement syntax (button, label, text, and value) to optionally specify the parent object (typically a FRAME) that will be the parent of the defined object.

Added a number of statements that instruct FRAME objects how to layout or organize their children: (HORIZONTAL, VERTICAL, CENTERing, etc...)

Added CHAR_SIZE and PIXEL_SIZE keywords to control the size of objects as they are defined.

Enhanced status display to be in a movable window, and contain 2 lines when debug mode is enabled, and error messages are now printed instead of numbers.

Added ability to run a function named "startup" before any button or menu_item is selected.  This will be typically used for array initialization.

Subj:  IZL Progress II..
Date:  94-09-26 01:28:03 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Subj:  IZL status report
Date:  94-09-26 00:37:31 EDT
Posted on: America Online (using the Internet)

Greetings from the IZL development labs,

Like I said, it's been a busy summer.  We are now in the process of completing beta testing, finishing the user's manual, and preparing for the production and shipping process.  Although we're not quite ready to take orders, pricing information is given below:

Version 1.0 of the IZL interpreter, with all of the features mentioned above, plus the ability to interpret IZL programs written for the FREEWARE version of the language, will sell for $45.00, plus $3.00 for shipping and handling. Pennsylvania residents will have to add 6% sales tax.

If you know that you will be purchasing IZL version 1.0, you could drop us an E-mail message with your name and postal address, so that we could expedite your order (pre-print mailing labels and such).  In this way after we announce the product's official release, and we receive your check or money order, we'll simply drop the 3.5" disk and manual in the mail immediately, in order to minimize turnaround time.

As always, your comments and feedback are greatly appreciated,

John Feras
[e-mail]



Subj:  To any and ALL H/W ??
Date:  94-09-26 01:31:14 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

If you have a Hardware Question dealing with one of the better mobil systems in your hand, please E-Mail

CASIOTech

Since Casio engineered and built what we have in our hand, they have all the answers.

I will add that they haven't been overly forthcoming with info..

Good Luck..

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Subj:  Re:To  All With H/W Needs...
Date:  94-09-27 00:22:48 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

I have been reminded that the 'Best' place to get broad coverage and responses to needed support issues is within these 'Humble' Folders.

I can't guarentee that Casio will be fully forth coming with the requested information. But, we can hope for the best.

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Subj:  Z Wireless Messaging System
Date:  94-10-10 18:28:24 EDT
From:  LHardin
Posted on:  America Online

I am a Zoomer developer new to AOL.  I have a few programs which I have previously released on another service which I now plan to make available through AOL.

I also have a question: How much interest here exists for a wireless messaging package for the Zoomer?  I am nearing completion of such a system which uses a PCMCIA pager card.  The system is also integrated with the Z's Palm Utilities.

Let me know if this would be useful to you.

Thanks,

Roy

Subj:  Roy, wireless and other programs
Date:  94-10-10 22:36:55 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

I, for one, would love to see your programs here on AOL. Please don't hesitate to upload them, not for a minute.

Specifically which pager card does your wireless messaging software support? I bet that's gonna be a very hot product!

Steve

Subj:  Re:Roy, wireless and New S/W
Date:  94-10-10 23:52:53 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Roy,
     I know of 50 to 60 people that would be interested in just about anything. Great to hear we have another source.
     As for Wire-less, Most people that frequent AOL have a minimal need for wire-less, but like I've said before either you have to invent a horse for your cart so you know what else your cart will do, or you're stuck pushing your cart around until you die...

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Subj:  Re:Z Wireless Messaging System
Date:  94-10-11 23:41:35 EDT
From:  A S Wolf
Posted on:  America Online

I can tell you for myself that it would be extremely usefull. However, it must support two way communications. That is, there must be a way to respond to pages as well as receive them.

Subj:  Useful?...Yes!
Date:  94-10-12 16:46:49 EDT
From:  ScottMT
Posted on:  America Online

Another vote for "Yes, it would be useful to me"
Extremely useful!  That also means I would pay money for it if the price was reasonable.
ScottMT

Subj:  Bowling Score Script
Date:  94-10-15 12:15:56 EDT
From:  ByronC0141
Posted on:  America Online

If someone can make a IZL script that can score Bowling - I would bless you !!!

Subj:  Re:Bowling Score Script
Date:  94-10-15 18:16:55 EDT
From:  LHardin
Posted on:  America Online

Let me know what you need it to do.  I have bowled but I am no expert.  I can make you an IZL application or a full application.  Maybe I'll start bowling more!  I look forward to learning more of what you need..
E-Mail or post a reply.

Thanks

Subj:  GEOS on HP95?
Date:  94-10-15 18:22:03 EDT
From:  LHardin
Posted on:  America Online

I have a Z-7000 and also an HP95LX.  Anyone ever try running GEOS on the HP95?  I'd love to have the same stuff running on both my systems.

Subj:  Re:GEOS on HP95?
Date:  94-10-15 20:15:11 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

L,

I doubt the HP95 will be able to run Geos because of the screen limitations of the 95LX, but I bet it will run on the 100LX, infact I am sure it will.


Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword:  PDA to find us fast!


Subj:  IZL 1.0, Released...
Date:  94-10-17 00:56:16 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

John Feras has assembled his version 1.0 of IZL.

For those that haven't heard of IZL, the program is a software interpreter for the programming language IZL, an easy-to-learn language that allows GEOS users to quickly create applications that take advantage of the graphical user interface of GEOS. Through the use of IZL, a user can write programs to make GEOS meet his or her specific needs.

To program in IZL, all that is needed is a simple ASCII text editor, and an idea of what the program should do.  Programming is then simply a matter of using the appropriate IZL statements to define the visual objects (buttons, labels, menu items, etc...) that will be on the display, and writing sequences of IZL statements (functions) to be executed when an event occurs on the display (a particular button is pressed, or a menu item is selected).

If you are interested you can E-Mail John at

[e-mail]
or
IZL John

For for info.

The price is really reasonable too..

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Subj:  Hooking Zoomer to the world
Date:  94-10-18 16:10:34 EDT
From:  Mike Reish
Posted on:  America Online

Is there anyway to easily hook Zoomer to the real world?  I need to be able to tell if a switch is closed or open.  Specifically I want to hook it up to my bicycles speedo wich uses a magnetic switch.

Subj:  Re:Hooking Zoomer to the world
Date:  94-10-18 21:08:00 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Hmm,

You meant a serial type connection? Well, you could make the hardware and make a software application that detects the signal-sure anything is possible.

Phillip M Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword PDA is how to find us!

Subj:  Assist...
Date:  94-10-19 00:32:48 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

SAMS Tech Manuals Should give you the inside Tech data needed to find what pins to work with on the serial port.
     The GEOS SDK will give you the rest.

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Subj:  PDA Developers magazine
Date:  94-10-19 14:23:30 EDT
From:  CDS SEM
Posted on:  America Online

PDA Developers Magazine Debuts
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Creative Digital Systems is pleased to announce the debut of PDA Developers, a bimonthly technical journal for companies creating software for PDA devices. Since November 1993, the company has been publishing PIE Developers, a magazine for Newton developers. Because of the increasing variety of personal handheld computers, they have decided to expand the scope of the magazine to include all PDA devices such as those based on the GEOS, Magic Cap, and WinPad environments, and manufactured by Motorola, Psion, Hewlett Packard, Sharp, Casio and others.

PDA Developers will have a format similar to PIE Developers. Each issue will contain news, product previews and reviews, programming tutorials, application walkthroughs, and in-depth technical features with extensive code samples. The November issue includes features on Magic Link, Graffiti, Psion 3a development, GEOS, wireless data services, the IrDA infrared protocol specifications, plus Newton articles on ScriptLink, NS Basic, modifying the OS, and managing multimedia data types.

"We don't intend to abandon our Newton developer base" says Steve Mann, PDA Developers publisher and editor. "They're an enthusiastic and productive developer community, working with exciting technologies, and they've been very supportive during our first year. Instead, we will broaden our content to include additional subjects we think all PDA developers will find interesting and thought-provoking, as well as platform-specific features. Our subscribers have indicated that they welcome the expansion."

Creative Digital Systems will be working with Psion and Geoworks to provide sample copies of the November issue to their developers. In addition, PDA Developers is available at selected news stands throughout the United States. An annual subscription costs $60 in North America, $80 overseas. There is also an optional source code disk.

Any PDA developer interested in receiving a sample copy of the magazine should send an email containing their mailing address and their primary platform of interest to Creative Digital Systems. In addition, we are actively searching for qualified developers that are interested in writing about creating PDA software; all platforms are welcome. Interested authors should contact Steve Mann at [e-mail] or [e-mail].
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Creative Digital Systems, 293 Corbett Ave, San Francisco, CA 94114
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415.621.4252                  415.621.4922 (fax)
[e-mail]             [e-mail]
[e-mail]

Subj:  Re:Hooking Zoomer to the world
Date:  94-10-19 17:52:24 EDT
From:  Mike Reish
Posted on:  America Online

Hi Phil,

Yes, hooking the Z to the switch via the seial cable was what I had in mind.  I've seen other people do the same thing for notebooks via the printer port.  As I understand it, they hook the switch up to the pins that signal paper out and detecting that with software.  I know serial ports don't have a paper out pin.  I'm wondering if hooking up to the ground and recieve data pins would do the trick?

Subj:  Re:IR on the ZOOMER
Date:  94-10-19 18:06:27 EDT
From:  Mike Reish
Posted on:  America Online

<<The Z-7000's 21 foot TX-ONLY squirt mode uses the standard US domestic I/R band, thus leaving it WIDE open for developers to produce all kinds of nice home control applications.  This is a unique feature of the Casio PDA.>>


Nigel,

Do I understand then, that it might be possible to write an app for the Z that would allow it to control TV, VCR etc?

Subj:  Re:Hooking Zoomer to the world
Date:  94-10-19 21:18:47 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Hmm,

I'm not too sure about that-I never Hardware hacked for a Zoomie only PC, Newton's, and Macs :-) Anyone have any ideas?

Phillip M Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword PDA is how to find us!

Subj:  Zoomer third party products.
Date:  94-10-22 22:56:31 EDT
From:  LVAS
Posted on:  America Online

Where do I find Zoomer thrid party products. ie. Spreadsheet, or other software. Also some better information on the Zoomer than
Tandy Technical distributes on it's Faxback service. Is the Zoomer a serious data Management device?

Subj:  Re:Zoomer third party products.
Date:  94-10-22 23:15:00 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

LVAS,

First off there is no spreadsheet for the Z as of yet.  there is not alot of commercial software yet other than some very good applications from Palm.  If you look in our PDA library both in the New Files Library and the Zoomer library you will find many shareware programs.


Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword PDA to find us!!


Subj:  Re:Zoomer third party products.
Date:  94-10-22 23:18:47 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Hmm,

Try PDA Direct 1-800-279-4PDA they have a catalog, perhaps they can help.

Phillip M Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword PDA is how to find us!

Subj:  Re:Zoomer third party products.
Date:  94-10-22 23:32:02 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

PDA Direct also has a catalog online here.  Use the same proceedure to find it as well.

Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword PDA to find us!!


Subj:  GeoWorks Too...
Date:  94-10-23 00:20:34 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Geoworks is the republisher for FormFactor.
- This program has Windows and DOS based tools for developing data gathering forms for the Zoomer. It's capabilities are extensive and is very similar to the $400 program just released for the MessagePad, retail is under $100.

IZL version 1.0, this interpreter program has a sharware version call IZLFREE. The commercial version can be purchased directly from the programmer IZL John should be able to help you here.  Under $55...

Several programs that have been developed for GEOS 2.0 DeskTop by 3rd party programer do work well on the Zoomer. The library over in the Geoworks forum has a few and more come out all the time. Once we get a chance to ensure they are properly formated for the Zoomer, they make their way into the PDA library (unzipped for easy insersion into the Zoomer).

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Subj:  tcp stack for Geoworks/Zoomer
Date:  94-10-26 21:49:52 EDT
From:  MikeODell
Posted on:  America Online

anyone know of a tcp stack that's been done or ported
to geoworks or the zoomer?? phil karn's KA9Q code
has been ported to the HP100 and can do packet over
the IR link.  was wondering if anything like this had been done or attempted.
any chance my 3c589 ethernet card might work
in the pcmcia slot? (drivers, etc required, of course)


Subj:  TIME & BILLING FOR ZOOMER?
Date:  94-10-27 13:34:03 EDT
From:  FASTFRAME
Posted on:  America Online

IS THERE A TIME & BILLING PROGRAM FOR ZOOMER OR HP100 THAT WILL WORK ON ZOOMER? I'VE READ ABOUT IZL BUT I'M NO PROGRAMMER. WHAT ABOUT SIMPLE SPREAD SHEET OR DATA BASE? ANY IDEAS?

Subj:  Re:TIME & BILLING FOR ZOOMER?
Date:  94-10-27 18:42:27 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

Fast,

I am not sure if there is such a program for the Z, but you can try our PDA file search.  I would tend to doubt it.  There is something for the HP, but I doubt it will work on the Z.

BTW please turn your cap lock off as it makes message very difficult to read (G).

Thanks,


Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword:  PDA to find us fast!


Subj:  Fast Thoughts...
Date:  94-10-28 01:02:03 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

If you are looking for a simple application that will keep track of work-on, and work-off, client, and total time, IZL may just be what you are looking for.

But, it will have to be the commercial release version. I understand you don't want to program, but if you have a good Idea of what you are looking for and don't mind spending just a little money to get just the application you want, here's a suggestion.
- Surf the PDA and Geoworks libraries for IZL files, and make a list of the people who have generated these files (especially the one you like [since IZLFREE is just that Free, and allows you to run the apps that have been generated already]), and send them an E-Mail message with a request similar to your post here.
IZL is under $50 (so you can run the app they will program), and what ever kind of deal you work for their services, and you have exactly what you need. The commercial version has File I/O capabilities that the IZL-FREE doesn't have..

Good Luck,,

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Subj:  Zoomer - PCMCIA Cards
Date:  94-10-29 17:45:38 EDT
From:  Stephs260Z
Posted on:  America Online

I bought a Tandy/(Casio) Zoomer within a month after they came out and I like it very much.  I still use it frequently 10 months later.  I would like to find more PCMCIA cards that are compatible with it.  Right now all I have is the Tandy modem card and the Quick Shuffle game card offered for sale in the box. I had tried a non-Tandy modem card (something Jax, I think) and even though it was PCMCIA II it pulled to much power or something and wouldn't work.  I've been a little gun shy since.

Subj:  Re:Zoomer - PCMCIA Cards(Steph)
Date:  94-10-29 20:12:41 EDT
From:  PDC Jini
Posted on:  America Online

I'm not an expert, but I do know that PCMCIA type II cards do exist in two voltages, 5volts and 12volts.  It may be that the one you tried is 12volts and you need the 5 volt type.  Hopefully, someone who's more knowledgeable about your Zoomer's needs can help out, if you're unable to determine if yours is a 5 or 12 volt system.  Hope this helps. :-)

Cheers -Jini-

Jini Scammell-Tinling
PDA Forum Consultant


Subj:  Re:Zoomer - PCMCIA Cards(Steph)
Date:  94-10-29 23:53:06 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

There is only one PCMCIA modem card that works in the Zoomer.  That's the AMT Starcard, which can be ordered thru Tandy.

On ram cards, any Type II sram (battery) card should work.  The 1 meg Newton cards are only about $40, and work well.  For flash cards, you must use a 5 volt model.

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader
(Conferences every Wed. @ 9:30 pm Eastern - Keyword:  PDA)

Subj:  100 ZOOMER + EXTRAS
Date:  94-10-30 01:11:33 EDT
From:  EL LOVE
Posted on:  America Online

I work at a Radio Shack in Fayetteville NC. I am trying to sell 100 zoomers to a company that wants to convert a very small dos program that does basic calculations and run it on a zoomer. They also want to be able to transfere that data back to the same dos program on a regular IBM compatible PC. HOW AND WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS. They also want the zoomer to be able to learn handwriting, will there be a new zoomer that will do this soon. HELP ME COMPLETE MY SELL !!!!!!!!

Subj:  Re:100 ZOOMER + EXTRAS
Date:  94-10-30 14:19:53 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Umm,

Well-Get yourself an IZL author to write the program, shouldn't be that hard---and then put Graffiti on all the Zoomers, while it doesn't learn HW it does go quick and only a few letters of the alphabet change, hope this helps :-)

Phillip M Torrone(PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Consultant
Keyword PDA is how to find us!

Subj:  Re:100 ZOOMER + EXTRAS
Date:  94-10-30 16:36:27 EDT
From:  LHardin
Posted on:  America Online

While IZL may be a suitable solution for what they want, it probably would be preferable to get a GEOS developer to write the needed application in C.  Then all of the functionality, including data transfer, could be packaged together.  A lot depends on the complexity of the application and how simple you want to make it for them.

Roy Hardin

Subj:  HOW DO YOU GET IZL DEV. PACKAGE?
Date:  94-10-30 18:15:49 EDT
From:  FASTFRAME
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks for comments on time & billing program. how do you get izl dev. kit?

How many zoomers were sold? Is that why not much software exists? Newton seems to have some great software but no battery life. Zoomer seems to have great battery life and no software.

It would seem in GW's interest to make sure at least a couple key software applications exist like a simple sreadsheet, fax & database/list programs. Thousands of attorneys, accountants, Dr.'s and consultants would probably use a time and billing program and zoomer if it was available.

Wanted programmer to write simple Izl or c program for zoomer.

program would capture date, start time, end time, and three text fields. text field 1= project or client name
text field 2= activity description (ie. call, meet, research, lunch, etc.)
text field 3= topic/other description

ideally the program would also compute elapsed time from sart to stop.

Information must be saved in file( tab delimited?) for transfer into ms. Excel on pc. that program will be used to sort and summarize time.

Optional features:

It would be great if:
  1. client name text field one could be selected from user defined popup list

  2. like wise for activity

  3. start time and date should default to current time and date of system when new record- time slip is created

Any other ideas?

Please send estimate of programming cost/ fee to me. Post on message board.

Thanks.

fastframe

Subj:  ZOOMER DEVELOPER WANTED FOR PROJ
Date:  94-10-30 18:25:54 EDT
From:  FASTFRAME
Posted on:  America Online

Wanted programmer to write simple Izl or c program for zoomer.

program would capture date, start time, end time, and three text fields. text field 1= project or client name
text field 2= activity description (ie. call, meet, research, lunch, etc.)
text field 3= topic/other description

ideally the program would also compute elapsed time from sart to stop. These 7 fields would represent a time slip or database record.

Information must be saved in file( tab delimited?) for transfer into ms. Excel on pc. that program will be used to sort and summarize time.

Optional features:

It would be great if:
  1. client name, text field one, could be selected from user defined popup list and inserted by tapping on list.

  2. like wise for activity

  3. start time and date should default to current time and date of system when new record- time slip is created end time could default to current system time when record completed/ closed

  4.  two other fields could be added for billing rate and total project fees

Any other ideas?

Please send estimate of programming cost/ fee to me. Post on message board.

Thanks.

fastframe

Subj:  transfering fromGEO to DOS files
Date:  94-10-31 01:52:15 EDT
From:  ASBUILTUSA
Posted on:  America Online

I am intrested to transfer files to and from dos from and to my zoomer. I get garbage when I transfer files. tell me what options do I have.

Subj:  Zoomer print cable
Date:  94-10-31 01:56:01 EDT
From:  ASBUILTUSA
Posted on:  America Online

can  zoomer modem cable be used for printing ?
if yes how.

Subj:  Re:Zoomer print cable
Date:  94-10-31 08:51:51 EDT
From:  PDA Jeff
Posted on:  America Online

I am not sure on the serial cable for printing, but I would assume it would be the same as using the serial port on the HP.  To do this one must either have a serial port on the printer (some older printers have this, and many laser printers still have both a serial and parallel port as well) or use a serial to parallel converter.  The converter costs about $40-$90 depending on the type, I would think it would work on the Z as well.


Jeff Zorn (PDA Jeff)
PDA Forum Assistant Leader
Use Keyword:  PDA to find us fast!


Subj:  Re:Zoomer print cable
Date:  94-10-31 12:54:53 EDT
From:  UFEAR50
Posted on:  America Online

     If you want to use the MODEM cable, then you need to run to your radio shack and get a NULL Modem adaptor. As an added bonus, it will also allow you to xfer files between your computer as well. Remember, this is only for Serial Printers, to go parrallel, you need to buy a Serial-to-Parrallel adaptor.

-Ajay

Subj:  EMBARC CARD LETDOWN
Date:  94-10-31 16:55:29 EDT
From:  PDW0665
Posted on:  America Online

I had a Motorola Embarc Newcard and was thouroghly impressed. I showed my friends the EMAIL Paging, the Morning Paper, and where, IN THE MANUAL, it stated a future service of EMBARC YOU! a 1-800 number that you would call to leave text messages (an operator would type and send, not very private...but no less so than TDD/audio used by telephone companies. I and friends were thoroughly impressed.

THEN-I got news that Motorola renigged and will never initialize EMBARC YOU! service, and have since ceased individual messaging. LEAVING ONLY the newspaper and stock report [read GENERIC TO ALL]  messages. I was so incensed, that I returned my card, demanding refund.

ROY, are you aout there?
There is a wide open market now for Individual email paging, and especially VOICE-to-email service.

Dean Wall
Norfolk VA

Subj:  Files & File Transfer's.
Date:  94-11-01 01:30:01 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

ASB,
     The files generated on the Zoomer are in a Vertual Memory (VM) file format. Instead of having the information of the file exchanged into a format saved to disk/memory and then converted back. GEOS (through the use of an index) takes the data in sections straight from RAM and saves it to Disk. Granted that's a simplifed explaination, but you get the general idea. That's why you see garbage on the DOS side of things.
     In the PDA forum library (also in the Palm Library) is a file conversion utility that exports the notepad data files to ASCII. This should help clear things up.

Let us know iif you need more.

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Subj:  Infrared-RS232 specs.
Date:  94-11-01 20:31:12 EDT
From:  ADVMOBILE
Posted on:  America Online

I need help with infrared add-ons for Z7000 and any other valuable info re: the IR standard.  Also need info on pin-out for 10 pin sub mini and comm. concerns.Please help

Tom at 800-800-7134

Subj:  Sound on zoomer
Date:  94-11-15 00:13:48 EDT
From:  Rheingans
Posted on:  America Online

I am interested in knowing the sound capabilities of the Zoomer.
I want to play back digitized speech.

Can it play WAV type files and how good does it sound?
What is the playback D/A rate 8Khz, 16khz? 8bit or 16 bit
What would I need to develop simple apps to play sound?

Thanks for any help!

Subj:  Zoomer Sounding Out.
Date:  94-11-15 02:08:42 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

The sampling Rate for sound on the zoomer is software selectable (depends on what the programmer puts into their program as well).
     WAV files are the standard support fare on the Zoomer with sampling rates of 22Khz, 14K, 11K, 9K and 8K hertz. Speech is acceptable on the Zoomer, but file space is at a premium (unless you are going to put everything on a PC-Card.
     The SDK should show you the way towards coding what you need.

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Subj:  Development Questions
Date:  94-11-15 10:10:17 EDT
From:  Rheingans
Posted on:  America Online

Thank you for providing me the info on the Zoomer.

I have a couple extra questions if anyone has the time..

Background info: My company is considering developing a
commercial app for the Zoomer. We will need to store on it
several short digitized phrases and words. We are still doing
research and have not yet bought any Zoomers or any
development software yet.

Questions:
1) When you say it supports WAV files are these exactly the same
as MS-Windows WAV files? Can I transfer them from a PC unmodified?

2) Will quality sound come out the speaker on the Zoomer or
do you need to hook up external speakers?

3) I understand that I can buy Borland's C++ compiler and the GEOS
SDK for development. What does the "PenRight" development
package do for me? Is it worth $600.

4) What are the differences between the various models?
    - AST Gridpad 2390
    - Casio Z-7000
    - Tandy Z-PDA Zoomer
   ( Tandy has their model on sale for $399 till Christmas)

5) What is the best buy for adding:
   10MB of storage
   20MB of storage
   Higher amounts of storage
   Bar code reader

6) I have seen 170MB PCMCIA disk drives out, do they work
 with Zoomer?

7) Is their any technical specs on the Zoomer hardware and
how to interface other custom equipment to it? ie PCMIA
capabilities?

8) Any good books, magazines, or other sources of info on
the Zoomer hardware and developing apps for it?

Thanks for any help!

Ken Rheingans

Subj:  RE: Development Questions
Date:  94-11-16 03:14:38 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

1 - They seem to be of the same format (as I can play them in my other Wav player software).

2 - Quality sound out of such a small speaker is quite subjective. But, is better than you would expect.

3 - It will allow you to develop for the PenRight OS, you would have to do research for that particular operating system, it's installed based and what viability is has for your application.

4 - There are no electrical difference between any of the stated models.

5 - Let you pocketbook and needs drive your pocket book.

6 - Those are PC-Card version 3.0 type devices, not support by the Zoomer.

7 - Several, you can request schematics from Radio Shack and SAMS.

8 - Mobile computing, this forum, and talking directly to Geoworks, Tandy, Casio and others in the industry should help..

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Subj:  DOS/ASCII to notebook file
Date:  94-11-19 21:29:59 EDT
From:  MLeje
Posted on:  America Online

  How can I get the anatomy of a notebook file ?  So that I may write a DOS "C" program that will  import ASCII Text into a notebook file that I may download to my Zoomer via Palm Connect Software.

Subj:  Notebook file
Date:  94-11-19 22:54:43 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<   How can I get the anatomy of a notebook file ?  So that I may write a DOS "C" program that will  import ASCII Text into a notebook file that I may download to my Zoomer via Palm Connect Software. >>>>

A Notebook file uses the GEOS VM (Virtual Memory) file structure. The GEOS SDK contains documentation that would help explain generally what a VM file is and how it works.

In addition, however, in order to decipher the structure of the document file created by a specific application (like Notebook), you'd need information from the author of the application. In this case, that's Palm Computing.

Steve

Subj:  SDK info
Date:  94-11-21 21:21:15 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

A potential source of useful information on GEOS programming is the SDK SIG that meets every Monday and Thursday in the Geoworks Developers area chat room. The logs and code samples are available in the library over there.
Mondays is for novices, but experienced programmers sneak in. Conversely, Thursdays  are for more advanced programmers and novices sneak in.
I found that participating in the SIG can greatly push you up the learning curve, provided you also spend some time with the SDK books.

Clemens

Subj:  Re:HOW DO YOU GET IZL DEV. PACKA
Date:  94-11-22 14:01:58 EDT
From:  CraigJ6892
Posted on:  America Online

You should try Form Factor Software from MetaPacific.  I have it and it will do all you are asking!

Subj:  PDA Emulation
Date:  94-11-23 18:22:28 EDT
From:  F29
Posted on:  America Online

I'd like to know if there is an emulator for PCs for some sort of PDA, GEOS based or Psion 3 or 3a. If there is one online, here, please notify me. F29

Subj:  Re: PDA Emulation
Date:  94-11-23 19:16:54 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

Hi F29,

<<<<<
I'd like to know if there is an emulator for PCs for some sort of PDA, GEOS based...
>>>>>

The GEOS SDK includes emulators for the Zoomer and the PT-9000.  The only difference, is that you use the mouse as the stylus (and zoomer emulator accepts keyboard input from the PC's keyboard).  It's only $99+S/H, which isn't too bad for the emulators and all the other goodies you get.  You can order by calling 800-GEOS-SDK or emailing [e-mail].

-Ed-

Subj:  SDK
Date:  94-11-24 00:22:10 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

The emulator contained in the software development kit is really good. I use it to test anything I develop before it goes to the beta testers, and the emulator so far has behaved very reliably.

Of course, for the $99 you get more than just an emulator....

Clemens

Subj:  Re:Zoomer Developers Sought
Date:  94-11-28 18:40:39 EDT
From:  Samadani
Posted on:  America Online

Would you like to work 20 to 30 hours programming an application( data collection) well defined, for Zoomer PDA and PALM computer. If interested leave a message.
Samadani

Subj:  uploading
Date:  94-12-17 00:31:54 EDT
From:  Ronstar2
Posted on:  America Online

can anyone expierenced with uploading from pc to zoomer
explain how to upload programs for example lotus.

Subj:  Re:uploading
Date:  94-12-17 12:12:49 EDT
From:  PDC Phil
Posted on:  America Online

Well,

The programs have to be Zoomer compatoble, like a GEOS app, and even those need to be changed to work on a Zoomer

Phillip M Torrone (PDC Phil)
PDA Forum Staff
Keyword PDA is how to find us!

Subj:  Z Development & Serial Port
Date:  94-12-19 05:24:15 EDT
From:  MHIG
Posted on:  America Online

In researching usage of the Zoomer as the hardware platform for a vertical application we have been told that the Zommers serial port is non standard.  We were told by people from PenRight! and PenPal that their products interface with Zoomers serial port is not supported because the port is non-standard.  Did GEOS have to write specific code for Zoomers serial port in order to circumvent the rumored bug?  If so, is the work around documented, well-publicized and available to others desiring to use the interface in development environments other than GEOWORKS (e.g. PenPal)?

Appreciate some feedback on this ... Thanks ...


Subj:  Z Development & Serial Port
Date:  94-12-19 05:25:21 EDT
From:  MHIG
Posted on:  America Online

In researching usage of the Zoomer as the hardware platform for a vertical application we have been told that the Zommers serial port is non standard.  We were told by people from PenRight! and PenPal that their products interface with Zoomers serial port is not supported because the port is non-standard.  Did GEOS have to write specific code for Zoomers serial port in order to circumvent the rumored bug?  If so, is the work around documented, well-publicized and available to others desiring to use the interface in development environments other than GEOWORKS (e.g. PenPal)?

Appreciate some feedback on this ... Thanks ...


Subj:  Geoworks SDK area
Date:  94-12-19 23:34:47 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

MHIG,

I copied your interesting question over the Geoworks Developers forum. You may want to check for an answer there also.

I'm curious what the  answer may be.

Clemens

Subj:  Re: Z Development & Serial Port
Date:  94-12-23 15:18:23 EDT
From:  GW Ballot
Posted on:  America Online

I posted this in the GeoSDK forum, but figured I'd cross-post over here.

<<<<<
We were told by people from PenRight! and PenPal that their products interface with Zoomers serial port is not supported because the port is non-standard.  Did GEOS have to write specific code for Zoomers serial port in order to circumvent the rumored bug?  If so, is the work around documented, well-publicized and available to others desiring to use the interface in development environments other than GEOWORKS (e.g. PenPal)?
>>>>>

The Z-7000's serial port uses some non-standard chips in the serial hardware.

Geoworks did write a serial driver specifically to deal with the Z-7000's serial hardware.

The workaround is not documented.

Since it is a hardware thing, releasing any information about this is up to Casio.

Subj:  Zoomer Sound
Date:  95-01-08 00:50:40 EDT
From:  DonWan15
Posted on:  America Online

Will some friendly developer please develop a program which will play .wav files on the Zoomer!
Thanks,
DonWan15

Subj:  GEOS on HP handhelds?
Date:  95-01-25 11:08:42 EDT
From:  SMTanner
Posted on:  America Online

This message was copied from the GEOS newsgroup on the internet


Subject: Future HP Palmtops to use GEOS...
From: [e-mail] (This crazed guy Shag)
Date: 20 Jan 1995 22:03:11 -0500
Message-ID: <3fpthf$[e-mail]>

This was mailed to me...


From: Daniel A Nielsen <[e-mail]>
Subject:  HP news

On page 39 of the Feb 95 Mobil Office magazine it states HP will
drop its DOS platform and use GEOS on its newest member of the
LX line! They mentioned geos on the PDA in a couple of articles.

-Shag
--
Dan "Shag" Birchall - "This crazed guy, Shag." - Michael Wilton, Queensryche


Subj:  Re:GEOS on HP handhelds?-SMTannr
Date:  95-01-25 13:17:24 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

It is known that HP and Geoworks do have more than a casual relationship (if memory serves, HP took an equity position in Geoworks last year).

It has been speculated that new HP PDA's scheduled for this fall are expected to use the Geos platform. Whether or not HP Palmtops switch to Geos remains to be seen.

I suspect some of our Geoworks friends here know, but of course, they can't say (only those of us who don't know talk <grin>).

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader
(Conferences every Wed. @ 9:30 pm Eastern - Keyword:  PDA)

Subj:  Latest PC Week...
Date:  95-01-27 03:01:50 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

On page 8 of this weeks PC WEEK there is a paragraph on the New HP/GEOS PDA. List will be under $400, with a screen about the same size as the MAgic Links with HPs Pager service built in.. 1MB of RAM, but with XIP a lot more of that will be for file storage.. It didn't state the processor being used...
- No other details were stated, other than a September release date...

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Subj:  Re:zoomer prices
Date:  95-01-27 11:19:41 EDT
From:  JohnS46512
Posted on:  America Online

my radio shack is selling the Zoomer at about half price"while they last." Is it being dropped or is a new model coming? Any news?

Subj:  Definition..
Date:  95-01-28 01:57:10 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

What is your definition of 1/2 price?
- I think They (Tandy/Casio) have agreed that $299 is the price point for these until their newer model is released (no info on any upgrades in my hat...)

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Subj:  Re:Definition..
Date:  95-01-28 10:20:13 EDT
From:  JohnS46512
Posted on:  America Online

half price is the $299 - that's how my local radio shack is advertising the price.

Subj:  Pricing..
Date:  95-01-30 02:09:23 EDT
From:  GWRepDoug
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks John ..

I'm not a marketing guy.. But from the trades I see the $299 pricing adjustment as probably as a result of a couple of things..
- Apple has dropped the price on the 110 (the 100's if you can find one are as cheap if not cheaper than a Zoomer).
- HP and several other companies (I'm hoping one of them is Casio) are preparing to come out with the second generation GEOS-O/S PDA, they may feel a need to move what stock they have.
- Marketing research in many areas has shown that PDAs will sell best in the sub $300 range..

just some thoughts..

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Subj:  re: Pricing
Date:  95-02-01 16:01:00 EDT
From:  BASSO1
Posted on:  America Online

Just picked up a new Casio Z-7000 for $320.  It was 50% off.  I am thrilled with it.     Greg

Subj:  Re:re: Pricing
Date:  95-02-01 18:00:42 EDT
From:  Sky Rogue
Posted on:  America Online

>From:  BASSO1
>
>Just picked up a new Casio Z-7000 for $320.
>It was 50% off.  I am thrilled with it.     Greg

Nobody say a word about Radio Shack to this guy! He is thrilled.

Great Greg, good to have you aboard. Happy exploring!

Phil

Subj:  ASCII TEXT EDITORS FOR ZOOMER
Date:  95-02-18 16:55:12 EDT
From:  LosBambues
Posted on:  America Online

I am looking for an ASCII text editor for the Zoomer... any ideas?



Subj:  Re:ASCII TEXT EDITORS FOR ZOOMER
Date:  95-02-18 22:20:59 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
The only ASCII editor for the Zoomer is AOL.  It is limited to editing files that are 8k or less in length.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Re:ASCII TEXT EDITORS FOR ZOOMER
Date:  95-02-19 00:53:19 EDT
From:  Robb Bates
Posted on:  America Online

There is a test editor included with GeoPublish shareware version.  I tried to use it on my zoomer but got a missing system file error.  Can it be used?  What other files are needed.  Does anyone plan on writing one?  I'm not an expert programmer, but I'm sure it can't be that hard.

P.S.  What about a drawing program. Something that can view GIF/BMP/PCX files etc.

Robb Bates

Subj:  Re:ASCII TEXT EDITORS FOR ZOOMER
Date:  95-02-19 12:30:53 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
The text editor from Geopublish requires the Spell.geo in the system directory.  It is about 120k so the editor is not as helpful.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Product Placement
Date:  95-02-28 12:26:39 EDT
From:  RxDxTx
Posted on:  America Online

I am producing an interactive movie on CD-ROM with the company who just produced Dumb and Dumber...   I am looking for a company who is intersted in product placement for their PDA...  Thge unit will be prominently placed throughout the game and will have it's identity and logo clearly avai.... Please E-mail me for more info.

Subj:  Ques. on GEOS SDK
Date:  95-03-05 02:33:50 EDT
From:  Scotty2540
Posted on:  America Online

I am attempting to get the GEOS SDK operational and have run into the following wall...
Section 2.4 of the intro document describes the method of testing the software install, and says you should get the following output when you run SWAT after building the HELLO.GEO program:
Swat version 2.0 (....
Using Trunk version...
Looking for "loader"...
Sourcing swat.tcl...done
PC Attached
Stopped in ....
LoadGeos: CLD ;DF=0
(loader:0) 1=>

But what I get is:
<  same  >
PC Halted    (instead of Attached)
Stopped in LoadGeos, address...
LoadGeos...
Looking for "geos     Eker"...c:\pcgeos\library\....
<     Several more of these Looking for "geos..." entries      >
<     Now it starts GEOS on the target machine                 >
<       and ends with:                                                       >
Thread 0 created for patient debug
Thread 1 created for patient debug

and I have NO prompt (  (loader:0) => )
When I exit the target machine (ALT F4) swat prints:
spool exited
Thread 0 of debug exited
ruler exited
(  etc...   and ends with )
(loader:0) 1 =>                          < The prompt finally shows up!  >

When I type a "c" and press enter I get:
Error: swat is not attached to GEOS.

Now, the HELLO program is loaded on the target machine and I can run it manually.  I have re-installed the software just to be sure, and I have confirmed a serial link with procomm.  In a nutshell, I cannot get the SWAT prompt when the target machine is running GEOS, and I get errors that GEOS is not running when only the PCCOM shell is up.

I fear proceeding until I get this resolved, and have a better understanding of what is going on.
Can anybody help?

- Scotty2540


Subj:  Scotty, SDK
Date:  95-03-05 02:46:05 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

The documentation is inaccurate... when you get to this point...
----
Thread 0 created for patient debug
Thread 1 created for patient debug
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...everything is cool. Just hit CTRL+C on the host to get a Swat prompt... or else run an application on the target, it should load, and Swat will report the threads and syms loading for the app.

Steve

Subj:  SDK SIG
Date:  95-03-07 23:11:25 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

Hey Scotty,

Why don't join us at the SDK meetings we have over in the Geoworks/Developer/Chat room on Wednesday nights at 9:00 pm EST to talk about your swat experiences?

Clemens

Subj:  Re:Scotty, SDK
Date:  95-03-11 15:02:10 EDT
From:  Scotty2540
Posted on:  America Online

Thanks...
Although the documentation is HUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your advice and more research helped out.

- Scott

Subj:  Re:SDK SIG
Date:  95-03-11 15:04:18 EDT
From:  Scotty2540
Posted on:  America Online

ClemensKo,

Unfortunatly, I travel a lot so wednesdays (and tuesdays, and sometimes thursdays) can be difficult.  But thanks for the tip, I didn't know the room was there.

- Scott

Subj:  Re:Pricing..
Date:  95-03-16 12:00:19 EDT
From:  RoyBoy54
Posted on:  America Online

I just bought a Zoomer from RS - the sales people said that RS and Casio have abandoned the Zoomer.  Does anyone know if that is right or not?  It seems to be a useful tool for my work, but it could be a bit faster, and it would be nice to have a link to either Geos on the PC, or, for me, better yet Windows.
Thanks.

Subj:  Re:Pricing..
Date:  95-03-16 12:52:16 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
Radio Shack sold their committed number of Zoomers and have decide not to re-order any more.  They decided over a year ago to discontinue sales of Computers with their name on them.

As for links to Geos, get Geopublish.  It is available here and allows you to use file linking to connect to your Zoomer.

As for speed, check out the Expert Plus Mode file here in the PDA library.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Re:Pricing..
Date:  95-03-21 00:48:06 EDT
From:  JBZIII
Posted on:  America Online

Is it true the zoomer is not being pursued by Casio or Tandy??
Did I throw my money out the window??

Subj:  Re:Pricing..
Date:  95-03-21 01:29:40 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
Casio is very interested in still offering the Zoomer.  They are working with Penright! regarding a bundle including fax capabilities to be available soon.  A fax program for Geoworks is also being worked on.

The Zoomer is not dead yet.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Re:  Zoomer Futures
Date:  95-03-29 01:08:30 EDT
From:  RobofLA
Posted on:  America Online

I have used a Zoomer in my law practice for aabout a year.  The Zoomer's jacket-pocket size and long battery life make it perfect for taking essential data to court, on the road, etc.  I like the Zoomer immensely and would immediately replace it if lost.  The only special programs I use are PalmConnect, Graffiti, and Structured Software's Textreader, all of which work beautifully.  My wish list would include a fax driver and a fast modem.  If it won't fit in my pocket, it's not a PDA.  At $299, stock up!

Subj:  Re:  Zoomer Futures
Date:  95-03-30 22:48:14 EDT
From:  TDG32
Posted on:  America Online

I agree with Rob's previous meesage, the Zoomer should have a future. But just in case I'm thinking about a stanby unit. Any body know if Price Club or any other warehouse is still carrying them?

Tom

Subj:  PDA Developers Conference
Date:  95-03-31 19:23:05 EDT
From:  CDigital
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital Announces PDA Developers Conference

Creative Digital Inc., publishers of PDA Developer's magazine, is pleased to announce PDA Developers East '95, an intense technical conference designed to give developers that are creating PDA products

* an in-depth technical understanding of the most popular hand-held platforms, their development environments, and the companies behind them;
* a broad overview of third-party PDA development tools and products;
* crucial information about what it takes to succeed as a PDA software developer;
* insight into wireless technologies and the service providers that are looking for development partners; and
* a glimpse at new, exciting technologies that will have an impact on the PDA market.

The heart of the conference is a set of four-hour tutorials on developing for Newton, Psion, Geoworks, and General Magic platforms (other tutorials will be added as appropriate). Each tutorial is divided into introductory and advanced sections. The introductory section, although technically concentrated, is designed to acquaint a developer with an unfamiliar development environment. The advanced sections are for developers already familiar with a specific development environment.

 Conference highlights include:

* keynote presentations by David Elder, President of Psion, Inc., and Gordon Mayer, President and CEO of Geoworks, Inc.;
* an evening session devoted to short, focused presentations by third-party tool providers; and
* an extensive hardware and software raffle.

PDA Developers East is scheduled for August 6 and 7, 1995, in Framingham, MA, immediately preceding the Boston MacWorld Expo. Registration fees start at $325 for both days, including breakfast and lunch. Room rates at the Tara Sheraton, where the conference will be held, start at $89 for a single room.

Further agenda and registration details have been posted to CompuServe (GO NEWTVENS), American Online (in the PDA forum), eWorld (GO NEWTON), AppleLink (Newton/Hardware and Software/Companies A-D/Creative Digital Systems), and ftp://newton.uiowa.edu/submissions. Look for the files PDEV95.sit and PDEV95.zip, or contact Creative Digital Inc. for more information.


Subj:  Re:Zoomer Developers Sought
Date:  95-04-02 23:06:57 EDT
From:  LorcanO
Posted on:  America Online


I am a young physician who is interested in developing medical management software for physician office use. I am computer literate but have no programming skills. Being on the inside in the medical profession I have some super ideas that would revolutionize the way physician-patient encounter information is recorded and processed. I would be interested in knowing what your company is about and what your needs might be.
Laurence O'Halloran M.D.

Subj:  Re:Product Dev. Mgr. Sought
Date:  95-04-10 12:25:24 EDT
From:  Orhawki
Posted on:  America Online

Growing Northwest company seeks creative, team-oriented manager with strong PDA development experience, to head a growing new product line development team.  The company is a leader within its market segment, with $40 mil in annual sales.  Competitive compensation plus stock options, relocation.  This company is a venture capital success story, founded by former Intel people.  Now public and ready to continue its growth.  Contact Orhawki@aol, or call Andi direct at 503/223-3106.

Subj:  Re: To Casio Reps
Date:  95-04-21 20:08:00 EDT
From:  TONAK
Posted on:  America Online

I would buy the zoomer over the zaurus or newton if the thing was of at least equal speed, and had fax capabilities. I spent weeks researching all the different pda's. Zoomer was my first choice until I played with it. It also seems to have no support. So I am now about to buy a sharp pt-9000. Please dont kill the zoomer...your almost there. Speed up the chip and do a real fax modem thing......

Tonak @ AOL

Subj:  to- casio reps..
Date:  95-04-21 20:09:25 EDT
From:  TONAK
Posted on:  America Online

One last thing...why did you ignore the mac connection for the zoomer....?

Subj:  Re:to- casio reps..
Date:  95-04-21 22:13:58 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Here in the PDA forum there is a Zoomer to Mac util.  Check the PDA libraries.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Zoomer/ PDA
Date:  95-04-30 17:45:18 EDT
From:  User490358
Posted on:  America Online

I hasve just purchased a Zoomer and I am really pleased with it. However, I would like  more information about available cards. Please reply and I'll try to gat back to you.
thanks,
george palmer

Subj:  Power Pen Pal
Date:  95-05-02 03:35:13 EDT
From:  RDMD
Posted on:  America Online

Is anyone using this development package on the Zoomer with PenRight?

Subj:  Future PDA-Zoomer
Date:  95-05-06 16:52:26 EDT
From:  NEWAGE1740
Posted on:  America Online

Just read an advertisement from R.S. that had the Z-PDA on sale for clearance.  Is there an ugrade in the offing?

Subj:  Re:Future PDA-Zoomer
Date:  95-05-07 00:17:03 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
Casio has not announced a future offering that will replace the Zoomer.  Radio Shack sold their commited volume of Zoomers and chose to drop it from their inventory.  The are comitted to selling other vendor's computers rather than their own.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Mac Link
Date:  95-05-16 22:53:23 EDT
From:  DianeG8
Posted on:  America Online

Is there a Mac Link program available yet?  I have a Zoomer, but just about never use it because I can't download my Mac Files onto it.

Diane.

Subj:  Re:Mac Link (DianeG8)
Date:  95-05-16 23:29:35 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

YES, thanks to the efforts of PDC ChrisD, there IS a Mac transfer package. It's titled "Zoomer to Mac File Transfer" and can be found in the Zoomer library here.

Craig de Fasselle (PDA Craig)
PDA Forum Leader
(Conferences Wed. @ 9:30 pm Eastern - Keyword:  PDA)

Subj:  Re:What development tools.....
Date:  95-05-25 02:17:40 EDT
From:  MCS US
Posted on:  America Online

Mobile Computing Systems has released HOPE! for the CASIO Z-7000. HOPE make possible to run  on the Z-7000 applications created in Visual Basic Windows.




Subj:  Help Using Ink
Date:  95-05-30 23:13:13 EDT
From:  Gregnewt
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,

Please excuse me if this is a frequently asked question.. this is my first time on here and I could not find a post asking the same question.

I work on a research project at Ga. Tech, and I have been given the task of writing an application for the Zoomer.  We've purchased the SDK, and I've printed all the manuals, and I've read a great deal of the Concepts and Objects book.

I am trying to learn how to use the Ink object to get the pen info, but I'm not having much luck.  There just doesn't seem to be any real examples in the docs on how to properly use Ink (at least I haven't found them).  I've looked at the InkTest file, but it is fairly complicated and doesn't even run on my Zoomer or on the emulator.  It compiles fine, but then I get a library missing error when attempting to run it.

If anyone can point me to the right place to read, or if someone is willing to send me some code illustrating proper use of the ink object, I would be extremely grateful.

BTW, the app I am supposed to write should simply let the user draw on the screen with the pen, and then it should send info ink locations out the serial port to a UNIX workstation.  Eventually we would like for the workstation to be able to send graphics down to the Zoomer as well.  This program will be used for projects such as handwriting recognition, and possibly (somewhat modified) be used to provide a personal front end to other UNIX programs for the Ga. Tech College of Computing Future Computing Environments Group.

If it ever works :)  I would be glad to provide it to anyone who wants it...


Thanks for any help,

Greg Newton
[e-mail], [e-mail]


Subj:  downloading addresses to PC
Date:  95-06-01 23:43:31 EDT
From:  JBZIII
Posted on:  America Online

I'm very interested in getting my addresses from my zoomer to some sort of label format for mailings. My frien has the newton and is able to download from the newton to microsoft word and create labels for his envelopes-can I do that with the zoomer and the Palmconnect I have for my PC ?? HELP !!!
[e-mail]

Subj:  Greg, Ink, SDK
Date:  95-06-01 23:49:46 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

Greg,

The SDK area in the Geoworks area of AOL is probably the right place for your question. You're more likely to get an answer there.

There's also an SDK SIG that posts its messages in that area.

I've been in touch with a lot of developers active in that area but nobody I know has focused on ink the way you do. I have never looked at the ink object myself because with the text objects that I use, the GEOS code takes care of the ink automatically. Unfortunately, I cannot point you to a better source of information than the above.

Clemens

Subj:  Re:downloading addresses to PC
Date:  95-06-02 21:54:58 EDT
From:  JohnSasser
Posted on:  America Online

Get IntelliLink for Windows, It transfers Zoomer to Win apps.
[phone]

Subj:  PDa Developers East '95 News
Date:  95-06-05 12:40:07 EDT
From:  CDigital
Posted on:  America Online

There's quite a bit of news regarding the PDA Developers East '95 technical conference on Aug 5-6, 1995. First of all, we've changed locations from Framingham, MA to the Nashua Marriott in Nashua, NH. It's about the same distance from Boston, but the room rates are lower - $65 per night for a single, versus $89 at our previous location. Conference registrants receive full details about the new facility.

Second, we're pleased to announce that Philip Ivanier, Manager of the Developer Relations Group within Apple's Newton Systems Group will be joining us as a keynote speaker. He will be talking about Apple's views on the PDA market, future directions, and developer programs.

Third, because of a large number of requests, we have decided to add an educational pricing option to the registration fee schedule. Full-time students and faculty members can attend both days of the conference for a special price of $250. That's a $150 savings over the regular registration rate. This price is only good until July 15th, 1995, and requires proof of affiliation.

Finally, we've managed to round up quite a bit of hardware and software for our raffle. The current prize pool includes Newton, Magic Link, Psion, and Casio hardware, accessories, and SDKs. There are also a variety of third-party tools and software development aids.

The conference is about half full at this point, and seating is limited. The hotel will be releasing our room block on July 15th. If you're interested in attending this conference, now's the time to register.

For more information about PDA Developers East '95, contact Creative Digital Inc.
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Creative Digital, Inc., 293 Corbett Ave, San Francisco, CA 94114
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415.621.4252                               415.621.4922 (fax)
[e-mail]          [e-mail]
[e-mail]                       [e-mail]

Subj:  Biting the Bullet AOL
Date:  95-06-07 01:22:12 EDT
From:  LosBambues
Posted on:  America Online

I cannot do anythin very different
with the new Bullet AOL.

eg. I cannot ftp r gopher, but the
readme.txt said I could! What happened?

Has there been any revisions to
Bullet?  How about to let it
have a cleaner display.

tnx

Subj:  Re:Biting the Bullet AOL
Date:  95-06-07 14:12:39 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
There are no planned revisions to the Bullet AOL.  It's been developed for the Sharp Pt-9000 and happens to run on the Zoomer.  This will probably be the most complete access for the Zoomer to AOL.  As for the internet, try going from the computing icon to internet to ftp, gopher or news groups.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Zoomer Draw Program
Date:  95-07-05 19:19:57 EDT
From:  Nfiedler
Posted on:  America Online

Hello

  I recently wanted to start writing a Zoomer Draw Program. Using a sample program provided on the GEOS SDK, I was able to get a good start. It is very simple right now, four tools and two attribute controllers (area and line). Obviously it needs more features.

  This is where you come in. I would like your input on what the program (called ZDraw) should include. If you've ever seen the GeoDraw program in the PC/GEOS Ensemble package, you probably noticed it has a lot of features and options. With the Zoomer, there is practically no screen space for all of these features. So, what I need to know from you is which features and options you want to see in ZDraw. Here is a list (incomplete) that will give you some ideas:

  File Menu - Import/Export Graphics
  Edit Menu - [The usual], Duplicate, Paste Inside, Hide, Create
  View Menu - Zoom Out, In, View at %, Redraw
  Transform Menu - Flip, Scale, Rotate, Skew, Untransform, Polyline, Convert
  Arrange Menu - Bring to front, Send to back, Pull forward, Push back, Move, Align/Distribute, Group/Ungroup
  Attributes Menu - Area, Line, Background and Color, Graphic Style Sheets, Gradient Fill, Arcs, Bitmap format, Extended attributes
  Text - Fonts, Sizes, Styles, Text Color, Text Background Color, Character Attributes, Paragraph, Style Sheets, Find/Replace

Those are most of the items under the menus of the GeoDraw program in GEOS Ensemble. Here are all the tool groups that GeoDraw has:

  Document Control - Open, Save, Close, Backup
  Print Control - Print
  Edit / Clipboard - Undo, Cut, Copy, Paste, Select all, Delete
  View Options - Zoom Out, Zoom In
  Display Control
  Object Duplicate
  Object Paste Inside
  Object Tools - Pointer, Line, Rectangle, Ellipse, etc.
  Bitmap Tools - Paint brush, eraser, etc.
  Area Attributes
  Line Attributes
  Line Width / Style
  Character Foreground Color
  Style Sheet
  Object Grouping - Group, Ungroup
  Object Depth - Push back, Pull forward, etc.
  Object Flip
  Justification
  Font
  Text Style
  Point Size

  Obviously something like Print Control does not have to be in the toolbar, since it's something you do very seldom. However, something like the Object Tools (line, rectangle, etc) you will most definitely want in the toolbar, since you switch tools constantly while drawing. Keep in mind, the menus take up almost no screen space compared to tool groups. The more tool groups you have, the smaller the view of the document will be. In most cases (except tools) the features can be left in the menus, rather than being in the toolbar. GeoDraw has almost all of the features duplicated - a feature in the toolbar will also be in the menu.

  So, please post or e-mail me a list of features you would like ZDraw to have. If you want, you can just list the things that ZDraw doesn't need to have. Don't forget to mention where the feature should be placed - menu or toolbar.

  Thank you for your assistance.

Nathan Fiedler
Blue Marsh Softworks


Subj:  zoomer- how do you run downloads
Date:  95-07-08 06:35:11 EDT
From:  JAlvear
Posted on:  America Online

I had my zoomer for a year and have used its great built in software.  Recently found PDA fourm and downloaded files.  How do you get them to run on ZOOMer.  Also how do you "shell out" or go to COMMAND prompt on zoomer?

Subj:  Re:zoomer- how do you run downlo
Date:  95-07-09 13:14:01 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
There is no way to shell to dos and use the Zoomer interactively.  It requires a keyboard, which the Zoomer does not provide under dos.  Check out the Quick tips area for how to unzip files on the Zoomer.

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  PDA application research
Date:  95-07-26 18:37:04 EDT
From:  AuroraEYP
Posted on:  America Online

Hi.  I'm a reporter for the Seattle Times trying to do a story on PDA apps. If you know, or know anyone who knows anything about the PDA app market, its growth, history and so on, please contact me at  [e-mail].

Thanks in advance.

Elaine

Subj:  Re:Thanks
Date:  95-08-30 18:09:02 EDT
From:  Artangus2
Posted on:  America Online

help with my Zoomer
thanks
Art

Subj:  Call for Presenters(PDADev West)
Date:  95-08-31 10:59:26 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

The reviews are in for PDA Developers East '95 (names withheld to protect the
innocent, but these are actual quotes):

"I would like to thank you for a great conference. I hope that all other
conferences that I participate in will be as organized and focused as this
one."

"Sometimes the best conferences are small ones. They tend to be intimate and
allow great opportunities for interaction.The Developer's East conference was
excellent for just these reasons."

"Thanks for a great conference. I had a good time and learned a lot."

Almost all of the attendees that turned in their survey said they would
attend another similar conference. So, we've decided to produce another one
on January 14-16 in San Francisco, exact location to be determined.

Instead of a tightly-structured agenda, however, we want to find the cream of
the PDA Developers crop to do short (1/2 hour) presentations and longer
tutorials, or participate in panels, on the following subjects:

*  advanced PDA programming techniques
*  cross-platform development
*  developing wireless applications
*  PDA-specific algorithms
*  advanced PDA technologies
*  handheld communications
*  programming tips and techniques
*  client-server software and middleware
*  the business of software development
*  development tools
*  programming methods
*  case studies on actual uses
*  anything informative, useful, and interesting.

Speakers get preferred registration rates. We're also looking for companies
that want to exhibit, have a demo station, or do a product demo.

For consideration, email a short proposal (preferable) to Creative Digital at [e-mail],
or give us a call at 415.621.4252.


Subj:  Re:Welcome!
Date:  95-09-23 22:29:04 EDT
From:  MPires3548
Posted on:  America Online

I HAVE A ZOOMER AND NEED HELP I AM VERY GOOD IN DOS AND WINDOWS BUT I AM LOST ON THE ZOOMER. I DONT WANT TO BLIZ OUT THE ENTIRE THING. I AM THINKING ABOUT SELLING IT IF I CANT GET IT UPGRADED OR MOTIFIED IT SEEMS VERY LIMITED NOW.   HELP PLEASE ANYONE
  THANKS            DAVE.

Subj:  Re:Welcome!
Date:  95-09-24 10:07:21 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

Dave,

What exactly do you want to do with your Zoomer that you can't do?

A PDA is a lightweight mobile device intended for personal information management and perhaps communications. It's not designed for desktop publishing, video effects work, CAD, or to do everything that you can do with a desktop computer or laptop.

Steve

Subj:  What programs are available.
Date:  95-09-28 10:03:43 EDT
From:  PPC IS
Posted on:  America Online

What programs are available for the Zoomer PDA? Which are free, what are others available for resale? I have a Zoomer and would enjoy doing more than what I have on it now. If anyone knows, please mail me at my Intenet address: [e-mail]. I appreciate it. P.S. Could anyone also post subject as "ZOOMER: Whatever text you want"  Thanx.

I'm very interested in this subject.

Timothy Kulig
[e-mail]

Subj:  P.S. What games are available?
Date:  95-09-28 10:10:35 EDT
From:  PPC IS
Posted on:  America Online

Just curious, what games are there for the Zoomer?

Please email internet: [e-mail]

Thanx

Timothy Kulig  ([e-mail])

Subj:  PDA Developers West '96 Announce
Date:  95-10-02 19:18:29 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital Announces PDA Developers Conference

Creative Digital Inc., publishers of PDA Developers magazine, is pleased to announce PDA Developers West '96, a technical conference designed to give developers that are creating PDA products:

* an in-depth technical understanding of the most popular hand-held platforms and their development environments;
* a broad overview of third-party PDA development tools and products;
* crucial information about what it takes to succeed as a PDA software developer;
* insight into wireless technologies and the service providers that are looking for development partners; and
* a glimpse at new, exciting technologies that will have an impact on the PDA market.

The first day of the conference consists of full-day tutorials on Magic Cap, GEOS, Newton, and Psion development. The second and third days include tracks on wireless development, advanced programming topics, the business of software development, and new technologies, plus keynotes by:

* Andy Hertzfeld, Magic Cap co-founder and key engineer;
* Kheng Joo Khaw, general manager, handheld computer division, Hewlett Packard, Singapore;
* Andy Seybold, noted wireless industry analyst and editor of Andy Seybold's Outlook; and
* Jeff Hawkins, Chairman and founder of Palm Computing.

There will also be ongoing developer tools exhibits and demos all three days. To maximize attendee flexibility, there are separate registrations for the tutorials and the second and third days of the conference.

PDA Developers West is scheduled for January 14-16, 1996, in San Mateo, CA, following the San Francisco MacWorld Expo. Individual tutorials are $150 until Nov. 30. Conference registration starts at $375 for both days, including breakfast and lunch. There are reduced rates for people who register for both a tutorial and the conference, student rates, and reduced rates for multiple attendees from the same company. Room rates at the Dunfey Hotel, where the conference will be held, start at $72 for a single or double room. The Dunfey is located five minutes from the San Francisco airport, 20 minutes from downtown San Francisco, and less than an hour from all parts of Silicon Valley.

Further agenda and registration details can be found on:

CompuServe (GO NEWTVENS, Creative Digital library),
American Online (Computing/PDAs/PDA Development/New Files),
eWorld (GO NEWTON/Llama Lounge/Sample Code/New Files), and
ftp://newton.uiowa.edu/submissions.

Look for the files PDEV95.sit and PDEV95.zip, or contact Creative Digital Inc. for more information.

PDA Developers West '96 is produced by Creative Digital Inc., and sponsored by General Magic, Inc.

Subj:  PDA Dev West Errata
Date:  95-10-03 10:20:35 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

To all those that received the electronic announcement about PDA Developers West '96, we would like to make one correction.

In the announcement we stated that Andy Hertzfeld would be one of our keynotes. That is not correct. General Magic has told us they will be providing us with a keynote speaker, but they are not able to guarantee Andy's participation at this point. In our enthusiasm to get Andy, we did not properly hear what General Magic was telling us.

As soon as we have confirmed their keynote we will make an accurate announcement. We regret the error.

Subj:  Scientific Calculator
Date:  95-10-24 22:37:21 EDT
From:  Zyg Z
Posted on:  America Online

Does anyone know if there is a scientific calculator program for the Zoomer? If so where?

Thanks.

Subj:  Psion/HP Sponsor Conference
Date:  95-10-26 20:18:36 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital, Inc. is pleased to announce that Psion and Hewlett Packard have joined the list of corporate sponsors for PDA Developers West '96, which will be held near San Francisco, Jan 14-16, 1996. The first confirmed sponsor was General Magic.

In addition, Andy Hertzfeld is now confirmed as the final conference keynote. He joins:

* Kheng Joo Khaw - General Manager, Hewlett Packard APCD, Singapore,
* Andy Seybold - Author, Using Wireless Communications in Business, and publisher of Andy Seybold's Outlook on Communications and Computing, and
* Jeff Hawkins - Chairman and Founder, Palm Computing.

This three-day developer conference includes:

* full-day Magic Cap, Psion, GEOS/OmniGo, and Newton tutorials;
* several presentations on integrating wireless technologies into PDA software;
* advanced topics like PDA Internet and Web access, animation, handwriting and speech recognizers, and cross-platform development;
* small business start-up and survival tactics, finding investors, strategic alliances, electronic distribution, marketing tactics, and channel requirements;
* development tools demos; and
* demos and sneaks of lots of cool stuff.

The most up-to-date conference information has been posted to all major electronic services in the file PDVWst96.txt (allow a few days for the file to become visible), and at http://www.slip.net/~cdi. Interested parties can also contact Creative Digital, conference producer, for more information.

EARLY REGISTRATION RATES ARE AVAILABLE UNTIL NOVEMBER 22, 1995.

Subj:  A. Hertzfeld Keynote Announce
Date:  95-10-26 20:19:38 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital, Inc. is pleased to announce that Andy Hertzfeld, Cofounder of General Magic and Software Wizard, has been added to the list of keynote speakers for PDA Developers West '96, which will be held near San Francisco, Jan 14-16, 1996. He joins keynotes:

* Kheng Joo Khaw - General Manager, Hewlett Packard APCD, Singapore,
* Andy Seybold - Author, Using Wireless Communications in Business, and
   publisher of Andy Seybold's Outlook on Communications and Computing, and
* Jeff Hawkins - Chairman and Founder, Palm Computing.

In addition, Psion and Hewlett Packard have been added as conference sponsors. The first confirmed sponsor was General Magic.

This three-day developer conference includes:

* full-day Magic Cap, Psion, GEOS/OmniGo, and Newton tutorials;
* several presentations on integrating wireless technologies into PDA software;
* advanced topics like PDA Internet and Web access, animation, handwriting and speech recognizers, and cross-platform development;
* small business start-up and survival tactics, finding investors, complex strategic alliances, electronic distribution, marketing tactics, and channel requirements;
* development tools demos; and
* demos and sneaks of lots of cool stuff.

The most up-to-date conference information has been posted to all major electronic services and forums in the file PDVWst96.txt, and at http://www.slip.net/~cdi. Interested parties can also call Creative Digital, conference producer, for more information.

EARLY REGISTRATION RATES ARE AVAILABLE UNTIL NOVEMBER 22, 1995.

Subj:  Zoomer Serial (Help)
Date:  95-11-11 12:21:42 EDT
From:  ACompEngr
Posted on:  America Online

I am working on an application which sends packets of data between a Zoomer and a PC.  (It is not really like a Z modem or other protocol).  My problem is that I almost always loose the last few hundred bytes of data per packet (size ~ 2K) .  The receiving PC has gotten everything it was sent - the Z has told it transfer complete and sent out code saying the packet is finished.  I am using flow control during the packet transfer (SerialSetFlowControl(2,0,0)) and turn it off after the packet is complete.   It seems to send the entire (correct amount) packet if I do not turn off the flow control - but then the inter packet code will not work and the transfer crashes.

It seems that somehow the Z is not getting everything out of the serial port, or maybe it clears the port when I change flow control.  But it still doesn't work even when I make sure the Z reports all data transferred before I change flow control.

Any suggestions, ideas, or help would be greatly appreciated.

Please respond here and/or email to [e-mail].

Thanks

Subj:  Re:Zoomer Serial (Help)
Date:  95-11-11 16:28:23 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

Just a **wild** guess, AComp, since I'm not an expert with the SDK or comm apps, but is it possible to call a flushing routine before closing the port, or issuing standard GEOS commands on the serial port?

Apparently, the AOL PCAO version has this bug whereby messages lose characters, and the UUDecode(app) would choke(if I remember the bug reports correctly) because of the missing characters.

Since I don't remember hearing of it being corrected, this could be one of those "dirty" little secrets one hopes doesn't come up.

Cami Lee


Subj:  IR compatibility
Date:  95-11-12 04:58:35 EDT
From:  Welcoj
Posted on:  America Online

I have an NEC computer with an IR device. I believe that the NEC doc sez that the IR is compatible with some HP standard.

Will this IR port work with the Zoomer's IR? If so, do I still need a specific PC-link software, or can I use TranXit software that came with my PC?

Subj:  Re:IR compatibility
Date:  95-11-12 13:40:36 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

The Zoomer's IR port does *not* follow the HP standard. I'm not aware of a software for the PC that will communicate with the Zoomer via the IR port. Do you know if the NEC IR port can function as if it were a serial port? That's what the Zoomer IR does.

Steve

Subj:  Java
Date:  95-11-13 02:28:10 EDT
From:  MalcomS
Posted on:  America Online

Is anyone looking at a JAVA port to any geos platform ?
[e-mail]

Subj:  winsock for zoomer
Date:  95-11-13 02:34:58 EDT
From:  MalcomS
Posted on:  America Online

now that aol supports winsock (passthrough of tcp/ip) to the internet
is anyone looking at a winsock for the zoomer (or other geos platform)
allowing telnet and ftp to be written for the zoomer, using the aol dialup?
[e-mail]

Subj:  Re:winsock for zoomer
Date:  95-11-13 12:42:00 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
The Windsock support is only for Windows.  AOL has discontinued it's Geos development at this time (ex: no WWW access!).

Chris De Herrera

Subj:  Re:Java
Date:  95-11-13 13:20:35 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

Well, since I'm a real novice yet, I've been looking at the stuff, and have asked (or rather sent a request) to Sun to look at the possibility of porting it to GEOS, and have asked if I can help.  But my experience would mostly disqualify me as a participant, since from what I understand, the basic underlying Java Interpreter (I believe that's the portable part) would have to be completely written in the chosen platforms native mode.

Since that is quite a complex chore, I don't believe I would have the qualifications to attempt it, though I am looking at some of the stuff they've sent out about it.  I'd be looking more at an assisting role, if they take my suggestion seriously.

Cami Lee


Subj:  Re:Zoomer Serial (Help)
Date:  95-11-14 13:52:52 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<< I am working on an application which sends packets of data between a Zoomer and a PC.  (It is not really like a Z modem or other protocol).  My problem is that I almost always loose the last few hundred bytes of data per packet (size ~ 2K) . >>>


The Zoomer doesn't properly support hardware flow control (that is what you're setting with SerialSetFlowControl (2 = SFC_HARDWARE)). This
problem was caused by a change made in the hardware just before shipping,
so the software couldn't be updated.  You can manually set and read the
hardware flow bits, though.

2) SerialWrite(BLOCK), will only block until the serial routine has
copied all the data to the out-buffer. This is not the same as the
data actually going out the serial port. You may need to put in a
TimerSleep(1 or 2) to allow enough time for the entire out-buffer to
be sent.

Steve

Subj:  Re:IR compatibility
Date:  95-11-14 18:04:41 EDT
From:  Welcoj
Posted on:  America Online

YES, the IR port can function as a serial port.  The PC included software to xfer and synchronize data files with notebook PCs that would presumably also have a compatible IR port (I have not seen many notebooks with IR ports!).

Subj:  Re:IR compatibility
Date:  95-11-14 22:33:39 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<< YES, the IR port can function as a serial port.  >>>

The Zoomer connects to a PC via a serial cable and "talks" to the PC running such software as Ensemble, Palm Connect, or ZDOS.

Now, if the NEC's IR port can function as a serial port, it seems like we might be halfway there if Ensemble, Palm Connect, or ZDOS can send their data stream to the NEC's IR port as if it were a serial port.

However, I don't know much about how serial data is translated into IR signals and back again, and I suspect it depends on the code that drives the IR port on both devices--and whether there's any standard or compatibility between the NEC's IR port the Zoomer's IR port.

I know the Zoomer does not use the HP standard for IR. So I suspect that you'd need a new driver for either the PC or the Zoomer that would enable the same standard for both devices. I'm not aware that such a driver exists.

Steve

Subj:  Re:IR compatibility
Date:  95-11-14 23:55:13 EDT
From:  TDG32
Posted on:  America Online


I am in the process of developing an external device that will connect to a PC serial port and will use intelilink or palmconnect for data tranfer. If anyone is interested I will post my results as soon as I am complete.

Tom (TDG32)

Subj:  Re:IR compatibility
Date:  95-11-15 19:47:28 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

Hi Tom,

I think we're all interested, so please, post away.

Cami Lee


Subj:  GEOS Developers SIG
Date:  95-11-16 20:20:54 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

The GEOS SDK SIG meets on Wednesdays in the Geoworks Developers area chat room. Time: 9:00pm.

We have developed a certain amount of expertise in this group that we are willing to share in order to assist others who feel similarly inclined. We are also discussing to provide full-fledged support to Zoomer and OmniGo devices. So far, the desktop has been the main beneficiary of our efforts but some work has resulted in PDA applets. Nobody in the SIG has seen the OmniGo SDK but we are sure to be up to speed on that one fairly soon after laying our hands on it.

Now, don't mistake my authoring of this post as an indication that I might be technically knowledgeable. I'm mostly an interested observer and about ten miles behind the leaders.

Clemens

Subj:  Re:GEOS Developers SIG
Date:  95-11-17 19:12:59 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

>>
Now, don't mistake my authoring of this post as an indication that I might be technically knowledgeable. I'm mostly an interested observer and about ten miles behind the leaders.

Clemens
<<

The leaders who are about 100 miles behind the professionals... <grin>, but we make do.

It's a big system, so there's plenty of room for experts to be developed throughout the system.

If you're already there, or are just curious, or are struggling also... come join us on AOL, Geoworks Forum, Developers Room, at 9:00 p.m. on Wednesdays.  We'll look forward to seeing you.

Cami Lee


Subj:  GEOS Developer needed ASAP
Date:  95-11-21 19:34:48 EDT
From:  FutureTek1
Posted on:  America Online

I am looking for a GEOS developer with a Zoomer for a cooperative development effort.  The project is fairly short in duration, with possible follow-ons.  Please note that this is unfunded, with payment being derived from sales of the product.  However, this project has a strong potential for quick returns.  Experience with assembler is a plus.  If interested, please respond by email to FutureTek1 as soon as possible.

Subj:  OMNI-Go Vs. Zoomer: S/W Diff
Date:  95-11-29 14:26:28 EDT
From:  WanderOn75
Posted on:  America Online

I'm curious to know how much difficulty we could expect between apps written for the OmniGo and apps written for the Zoomer.  We've already seen the effects of screen size differences between the Bullet and the Zoomer, but I'm curious to know if we'll have more common-platform apps or if there will continue to be a case of different versions for different units.  GEOWORKS provided a nice desktop to work with, common between different systems, including desktops, but I haven't really seen a lot of cross-compatbility.

I realize development is nice, but I'm all lost in this torrent of system incompatibilities and confusions.

A book would be nice.  (wishful thinking)
-WanderON75

Subj:  Try...
Date:  95-12-10 00:15:39 EDT
From:  Logical
Posted on:  America Online

<<It seems that somehow the Z is not getting everything out of the serial port, or maybe it clears the port when I change flow control.  But it still doesn't work even when I make sure the Z reports all data transferred before I change flow control.>>
Try a 2 second delay after sending the last packet, before changing flow control...

-L


Subj:  Socket services....
Date:  95-12-10 00:18:27 EDT
From:  Logical
Posted on:  America Online

<<now that aol supports winsock (passthrough of tcp/ip) to the internet
is anyone looking at a winsock for the zoomer (or other geos platform)
allowing telnet and ftp to be written for the zoomer, using the aol dialup?>>
PCAO and GAOL do not support the InterNet in the same manner as WAOL/MAOL...  I.E. they do not provide socket services...

This is one reason we wont see a Web browser for PCAO... :(

Thus, just making a WINSOCK.DLL equivelent is not enough...  PCAO/GAOL would need to be updated.

-L


Subj:  PALM CONECT
Date:  95-12-13 18:36:52 EDT
From:  JCard54591
Posted on:  America Online

I NEED AN ADDRESS R PHONE NUMBER TO anyone who can sell me palmconect my name is jcard94531  ,  you  can call me at 714-879-5050 or collect

Subj:  Z 7000 accessories
Date:  95-12-13 18:51:10 EDT
From:  JCard54591
Posted on:  America Online

I am interested in your listing of zoomer accessories,JCARD94531

Subj:  victer p
Date:  95-12-13 19:01:26 EDT
From:  JCard54591
Posted on:  America Online

you need to call radio shack at 1800-the shack. ask for the pmcia card modem it comes supplied with a realy cool portable cable .call me at 1800-329-7590 for more info and detailand if you need part numbers and pricing ,JCARD94531

Subj:  Wanted: PDA s/w consulting
Date:  95-12-27 22:54:34 EDT
From:  Welcoj
Posted on:  America Online

WANTED:  Experienced PDA software developer (GEOS, Magic Cap) to develop prototype. Duration: 2-3 months. Follow on projects possible.

Contact me at my AOL e-mail ([e-mail]) if you are interested or know someone who might be.


Subj:  New "Front Door"
Date:  96-03-20 02:33:36 EDT
From:  PDA Craig
Posted on:  America Online

Please check out the new "front door" to the PDA Development area--makes it easier than ever to find your way around and learn more about PDA programming! ;)

Craig de Fasselle
PDA Forum Leader
Keyword PDA

Subj:  PDA Developers CD-ROM
Date:  96-04-17 20:36:43 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital, Inc. is pleased to announce the immediate availability of their first conference CD-ROM, PDA Developers East/West, 1995-1996.  It includes the slides of most of the presentations from both PDA Developers conferences (Nashua, NH Aug. 1995 and San Mateo, CA Jan. 1996) , plus other highlights, including:

* PDF-formatted versions of the GEOS 2.1 SDK documentation;
* PDF-formatted versions of the Magic Cap 1.5 developer docs;
* Freeware and shareware developer goodies like IZL, PAL, Newt and more; and
* A QuickTime version of the amazing and truly excellent Bowser movie from General Magic's first developer conference.

The CD-ROM is available directly from Creative Digital Inc. for $70, $55 for PDA Developers subscribers and conference attendees, plus $7.50 shipping and handling in North America, $12.50 to all other locations.

Subj:  PDA Developers North/Expo
Date:  96-04-19 20:46:49 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital, Inc. is pleased to announce PDA Developers North and PDA Expo, scheduled for September 11-14, 1996 at the Inland Meeting & Exposition Center, Westmont, IL, 20 minutes from Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

PDA Developers North
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September 11-13, 1996

PDA Developers North is a three-day technical conference for developers creating products for PDAs, hand-held computers, palmtops and PICs. This is the leading forum for bringing developers, hardware manufacturers and OS creators together. Highlights include:

- Half-day tutorials on Newton, Magic Cap, Psion, GEOS, Pilot and HP palmtop development;
- Panels on industry directions featuring leading executives from hardware and OS manufacturers;
- Open forums with tech support and product managers from the leading hardware and platform manufacturers;
- Wireless software development tools and services;
- Advanced programming topics;
- A full day of exhibits on September 13, with special developer bundles; and
- New technologies, great keynotes and lots of surprises.

Registration, which includes breakfast and lunch all three days, is $450 until June 15, $550 until August 15, and $650 after that. A block of suites are available at the nearby Oakbrook Hilton Suites for $109. The Hilton Suites includes a 24-hour business center and modem-compatible telephones. Creative Digital will provide roommate matching services for attendees that want to share a suite. There are several other modestly-priced hotels in the immediate area.

PDA Expo
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September 14, 1996

In order to bring together PDA developers, platform manufacturers and buyers, Creative Digital is also producing a one-day PDA Expo at the same location following the developer conference. Attendees at PDA Developers North can attend the Expo, including all presentations, at no charge.

The Expo is designed for both corporate users and individuals. In addition to a keynote by Jeff Hawkins, Vice President and Chief Technologist, US Robotics, there will be an educational conference with full-day tracks on:

- Corporate PDA-based solutions presented by leading systems integrators;
- Getting the most out of your PDA as a productivity tool; and
- PDA industry solutions for specific vertical markets.

There will be additional presentations on internet and web access, desktop connectivity, content creation, forms packages and other topics. There is no admission charge for the keynote or the exhibits. The registration fee for the PDA Expo conference is $40 until June 15, $50 until August 15, and $65 after that.

For more information, contact Creative Digital, Inc. at 415.621.4252 or [e-mail]. Keynotes, sponsors and agenda specifics will be regularly posted to Usenet, American Online, Creative Digital's Web site (http://www.cdpubs.com) and their CompuServe forum (GO NEWTVENS).

Creative Digital, Inc. also publishes PDA Developers magazine and The Hand-held Systems Integrators Directory.

Subj:  PDA Developer 4.3 Excerpts
Date:  96-04-24 20:20:58 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Excerpts from the latest issue (4.3) of PDA Developers, plus a complete table of contents for the issue, have been posted to various electronic services in a Stuffit archive. DOS and Windows users can use Unstuff.exe to extract the articles. The archive includes the following four articles in DOS-compatible text files:

PDA News - Steve Mann.
PDA Developers North & PDA Expo, smart phones and other interesting stuff.

Ragout 2.0 - John Schettino.
A review of a handy Newton soup utility.

Lost? GPS May Help - Ray Rischpater.
A discussion of GPS and why you should care.

Pilot Programming Primer - Steve Mann.
An introduction to creating client applications for Palm's new PDA.

The archive, called PDV43xcp.sit, can be found at:

* Creative Digital's library on CompuServe's Newton Vendor's forum (GO NEWTVENS)
* America Online (Computing/PDAs/New Files and Free Uploading)

and at Creative Digital's web site at http://www.cdpubs.com

Subj:  IZL 2.0 Developement
Date:  96-05-02 12:59:09 EDT
From:  ByronC0141
Posted on:  America Online

Is this a good area to post help in creating IZL programs.
Are sure someone just contact John personal ??

Byron


Subj:  Re:IZL 2.0 Developement
Date:  96-05-03 06:06:53 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

You can post questions here, if you like to get info from general users of the IZL language, but John, from what I understand, doesn't frequent here as much as he does his ISP, so you might be better off sending email to his Internet account, if direct response is what you need.

Otherwise, post away, and maybe someone will have an answer to your question.

Cami Lee


Subj:  please come and see us...8-)
Date:  96-05-06 10:59:22 EDT
From:  LoJoHo
Posted on:  America Online

Wednesday night (5/08/96) is Zoomer Night!
9:30 PM EST
Keyword: PDA
the forum conference room...

you are invited to stop in and participate...bring your stuff...and questions...and answers...

Someone will win One Free Hour of online AOL time ...

We would serve Coffee and Cake...but, you know how spilt coffee and cake crumbs can mess up a computer...;-)

Love...Mother Hoose

Subj:  PDA Sys Integrator Directory
Date:  96-06-16 17:26:56 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital, Inc. is pleased to announce the first edition of The Hand-Held System Integrator Directory. Designed for anyone looking for hand-held computer solution providers and vertical market products, this publication contains:

- 150+ pages of profiles of systems integrators for all hand-held platforms, from low-end PDAs to high-end specialized terminals.
- 40+ pages of indices by platform, application area, industry, product name, and company.
- Separate sections for hardware, development tools, distributors, and enabling technologies.

It's a concise industry reference for the hand-held, mobile computing, and PDA markets.

The Hand-Held System Integrator Directory is updated twice a year. A single issue is $25 plus $5 shipping and handling ($7.50 outside North America). An annual subscription is $50 ($55 outside of North America), which includes shipping and handling. Major credit cards and US bank-drawn checks accepted.

This first Summer/Fall edition will be shipping July 1, 1996. For more information, contact Creative Digital, Inc.

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Subj:  General Zoomer Programming ?
Date:  96-06-16 18:29:05 EDT
From:  JCsveth
Posted on:  America Online

I am ready to dive into programming my zoomer to make it do what I need it to do.  I have the GEOS 2.0 SDK CD and have fired up my Borland C++ and hope to start programming soon.  Is there anyone who has or knows of some sample source code out there which could provide a starting point or shell for my development.  I need something other than the IZL language.  Thanks in advanced.                       ...j.l.c...

Subj:  Re:General Zoomer Programmin
Date:  96-06-16 22:19:19 EDT
From:  GW Steve
Posted on:  America Online

<<<  Is there anyone who has or knows of some sample source code out there which could provide a starting point or shell for my development. >>>

Visit the forum at keyword GEOSDK here on AOL.
Also take a look at http://members.aol.com/nfielder

Steve

Subj:  Samples
Date:  96-06-17 22:20:35 EDT
From:  ClemensKo
Posted on:  America Online

Nathan Fiedler's code is excellent for learning bigger applications. Very well commented, a real treat.
In addition, you find a lot of short samples and snippets in the library Steve mentioned, as well as logs from the SDK SIG meetings that take place every Wednesday night at 9:00 pm EDT in the SDK chat room. The logs address issues that befuddled new GEOS developers as well as more advanced ones, and may also help you get a feeling for GEOS coding.

Clemens

Subj:  More PDA Developers Sponsors
Date:  96-07-30 11:11:35 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital inc. is pleased to announce additional sponsors for PDA Developers North (Chicago, Sept 11-13) and the PDA Solutions Conference and Exhibition (Chicago, Sept 14). Hewlett Packard has joined US Robotics, Psion, ARDIS, General Magic, and Apple Computer as a corporate sponsor. In addition, The Newton Store and Wright Strategies have joined Geoworks, PDA Direct, Pen Computing Magazine, and In-Touch USA as corporate supporters of both events.

"This is by far the strongest show of corporate support we've had since we started this conference series in 1995" says Steve Mann, Creative Digital President. "These companies are serious about working with developers to create great applications for their hand-held platforms, and they clearly think our event is one of the best venues for indentifying developers and establishing long-term relationships with them."

According to Mann: "Because of our corporate sponsors, we are able to keep our registration rates as low as possible. With the addition of this latest set of sponsors, we have decided to eliminate our mid-August price increase." Effective immediately, the registration for PDA Developers North will remain at $450 until the week of the conference. On September 10, it increases to $500. Registration includes breakfast and lunch all three days, plus complementary registration for the PDA Solutions Conference.

PDA Developers North is a three-day technical conference for programmers creating products for hand-held computers. It includes half-day programming tutorials on Psion, Newton, Pilot, GEOS, Magic Cap, PenRight!, and FormLogic development. In addition, there are a variety of platform-centric panels, and threads on wireless development, development tools, advanced topics, and war stories from the trenches presented by Real PDA Programmers. Exhibits will be open all day on September 13.

PDA Solutions Conference and Exhibition is a one-day event for end users of hand-held computers. In addition to a keynote by Jeff Hawkins, creator of the Graffiti handwriting recognition system and the US Robotics Pilot, and 10,000 square feet of exhibit space, both open to the public at no charge, there is an optional all-day conference with four topics: Getting The Most Out of Your PDA, Corporate Solutions using Hand-held Computers, Vertical Market Applications, and topics of special interest like Internet and Web access. Speakers include editors from Pen Computing Magazine and Hal Goldstein, Publisher of The HP Palmtop Papers and HP OmniGo World. Conference registration is $50 in advance, $65 at the door.

PDA Developers North and the PDA Solutions Conference and Exhibition are both being held at the Inland Meeting and Exposition Center in Westmont, IL. Inland is about 20 minutes from Chicago's O'Hare airport. For directions contact Inland at 708.850.7000.

For more information on either event, including preliminary agendas, surf to Creative Digital's web site at http://www.cdpubs.com or call 415.621.4252.

Subj:  More PDA Dev North Keynotes
Date:  96-08-04 15:07:27 EDT
From:  CDPI
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital inc. is pleased to announce additional keynote speakers
for PDA Developers North (Chicago, Sept 11-13). The following experts from
the hand-held computer industry have been added to conference agenda:

* Kheng Jo-Khaw - General Manager, Hewlett Packard APCD
* Steve Schramm, VP & General Manager, Communication Products, General Magic
* Gary Gebhardt - Channel Strategy & Planning Manager, ARDIS, and
* Grover Righter - Vice President of Marketing, Geoworks

They join already scheduled keynote presenters

* Charles Davies - Technical Director, The Psion Group
* Harel Kodesh - Manager, Consumer Appliance Division, Microsoft, and
* Janne Jormalainen - Director of Engineering, Nokia Wireless Data

This collection of keynotes is designed to give individuals and companies
creating PDA products an in-depth understanding of this growing segment of
the computer industry, plus insight into where industry leaders expect this
market and its unique technologies to go.

Registration for PDA Developers North is $450 until September 9, when it
increases to $500. Registration includes breakfast and lunch all three
days, plus complementary registration for the PDA Solutions Conference, a
one-day end-user event on Saturday, September 14.  The PDA Solutions
Conference keynote presenter is Jeff Hawkins, creator of the Graffiti
handwriting recognition system and the US Robotics Pilot.

PDA Developers North is a three-day technical conference for programmers
creating products for hand-held computers. It includes half-day programming
tutorials on Psion, Newton, Pilot, GEOS, Magic Cap, PenRight!, and
FormLogic development. In addition, there are a variety of platform-centric
panels, and threads on wireless development, development tools, advanced
topics, and war stories from the trenches presented by Real PDA
Programmers. Exhibits will be open all day September 13 and 14.

PDA Developers North and the PDA Solutions Conference are both being held
at the Inland Meeting and Exposition Center in Westmont, IL. Inland is
about 20 minutes from Chicago's O'Hare airport. For directions contact
Inland at 708.850.7000.

For more information, including detailed agendas, surf to Creative
Digital's web site at http://www.cdpubs.com or call 415.621.4252.

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Subj:  IZL stuff
Date:  96-08-18 13:38:28 EDT
From:  HaaseD
Posted on:  America Online

Hello,

here is a new ftp-site with IZL-stuff:

ftp://members.aol.com/geoizl/

content.txt for english users and
inhalt.txt for german users

GeoRabbit

Subj:  GEOS SDK FAQ Online
Date:  96-10-18 23:39:47 EDT
From:  GWRepNate
Posted on:  America Online

I am proud to announce that the GEOS SDK FAQ has been made available online. You can reach it via the Geoworks web page at: http://www.geoworks.com/htmpages/devrel/sdkfaq/

From that page you can view the FAQ by topic or you can view the whole thing at once. You can also download the FAQ as a .zip file and view it while offline. The GEOS SDK FAQ contains Frequently Asked Questions pertaining to the development of GEOS programs using the GEOS Software Development Kit. We plan to have an online search feature made available as soon as possible.

The GEOS SDK is available from Geoworks for $99 (for the 2.0 and the OmniGo versions). Information is available on these SDKs as well as the Nokia 9000 Communicator SDK on the Geoworks web page. For information via e-mail, send a message to [e-mail]. To order, send e-mail to [e-mail].

Nathan Fiedler
Geoworks, Inc.


Subj:  Newsgroup
Date:  96-10-19 17:24:40 EDT
From:  Cami Lee
Posted on:  America Online

Hello fellow Geos Programmers.

I've instituted creation of a newsgroup for us on the internet and would appreciate it if you would voice your opinions and suggestions to help make sure we get the group setup quickly as possible.

This avenue, will allow us to converse with programmers from everywhere who are not part of the AOL or CompuServe systems, and allows us to reach out further to other programmers all over the internet.

Especially important will be when we finally resolve the discussion with a proper charter and we begin to vote.  We'll need all the support we can muster as we must have a 100+ vote over the number of dissenting votes.

Thanks.

Lee


Subj:  Re:Newsgroup
Date:  96-10-20 11:01:43 EDT
From:  GWRepNate
Posted on:  America Online

BTW, discussion of the comp.os.geos reorganization takes place on the "news.groups" newsgroup. Please subscribe to that newsgroup and voice your opinion about the comp.os.geos reorg and why you will/won't support it.

Nathan


Subj:  Handheld Almanac Deadline
Date:  96-12-12 19:24:42 EDT
From:  Cdpubs
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital inc. wants to remind companies involved in the handheld computing industry that the deadline for submission to The 1997 Handheld Computer Almanac is January 15, 1997.

If your company is involved in hardware, software, peripherals, consulting, systems integration, distribution, sales, publishing, accessories, or anything else having to do with handheld computers, you should be in this printed directory. There will be separate listings for each company, plus sections for each type of product and service. In addition, The Handheld Computer Almanac will have extensive indices (platform, application area, and industry), cross references, and editorial material.

If you would like have your company included in the Almanac, you need to get a submission form from our Web site (http://www.cdpubs.com), fill it out, and send it back to us by January 15, 1997. If you don't have Web access, send us an e-mail at [e-mail], or call us at 415.621.4252, and we will send a submission form to you. We prefer that you e-mail the response, so that we don't have to retype the information, but we will accept faxed submissions.

There is no charge for being listed in The Handheld Computer Almanac.
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Subj:  Handheld Systems Excerpts
Date:  96-12-17 13:27:52 EDT
From:  Cdpubs
Posted on:  America Online

Excerpts from the latest issue (5.1) of Handheld Systems (formerly PDA Developers), plus a cumulative table of contents for all issues, have been posted to Creative Digital's web site at http://www.cdpubs.com. The four Adobe PDF-formatted excerpts are:

- PDA News, by Steve Mann, including an overview of General Magic's new Rosemary platform;
- An overview of the new Newton 2.1 audio APIs, by John Schettino;
- Part I of a series on hotsynching Pilots to UNIX systems, by Kevin Flynn; and
- A history of the Windows CE project, by Microsoft's Robert O'Hara.

In addition, the issue contains the latest IrDA news, a profile of Wright Strategies, two articles on implementing Newton drag and drop, more GEOS bug-bashing techniques, a 250-line NewtNews reader in NS BASIC, a multi-platform advanced data-compression tool, a Pilot serial programming primer, an overview of the new Newton 2.1 color/grayscale APIs, and Brenda Holloway's Magic Cap bookmaking tool. The printed issue will be available the second week of January.

For a complementary sample of Handheld Systems, go to Creative Digital's web page, fill out a request for a sample issue, and e-mail it to [e-mail].

Subj:  Handheld Systems Conference
Date:  96-12-18 13:37:18 EDT
From:  Cdpubs
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital is pleased to announce the fourth Handheld Systems (formerly PDA Developers) Conference, the only conference in the world devoted exclusively to the creation of hardware and software for handheld computers. This spring's event will be held at the San Francisco Airport Hilton, April 24-26.

The first day is a set of half-day programming introductions to a variety of platforms and services, including Pilot, Windows CE, GEOS, Magic Cap, Memos, ARDIS, Psion, Inter@ctive Pager, Unwired Planet, Newton, FormLogic, PenRight!, and Eden (not all of these are confirmed).

The second and third days are a mix of keynotes, panels, and exhibits. The keynotes are Andrew Seybold, industry analyst and consultant, and Jean Belanger, CEO and Chairman of Metrowerks. There are a varietey of panels on hardware, software, wireless services, emerging platforms, and much more. Exhibits are during the afternoon.

Registration is $250 until Jan 31, $350 until April 15, $400 after that. It includes breakfast and lunch all three days. The Hilton has large single rooms for $127, doubles for $147 (there are other lower-priced hotels in the area). Creative Digital can pair you up with a roommate at the Hilton.

Sponsors include Microsoft, Geoworks, Hewlett-Packard, and General Magic. Supporters include U.S. Robotics and Pen Computing Magazine.

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Subj:  palmconn win95 conflict
Date:  97-01-26 12:09:55 EDT
From:  AVERGEDUDE
Posted on:  America Online

I get font error when trying to run palmconn on win 95, any fixes???thanks

Subj:  Re:palmconn win95 conflict
Date:  97-01-26 12:43:28 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
There is a tips file and a download file that describes how to make PalmConnect work in Windows 95.   This is the same fix as for Geos.

Chris De Herrera
PDA Forum Consultant

Subj:  Zoomer Speed-up
Date:  97-02-26 08:31:22 EDT
From:  RFisher295
Posted on:  America Online

Does anyone know if the clock speed upgrade to the Zoomer is still available & if so where/who to contact for it?

Thanks

            Rob

Subj:  Re:Zoomer Speed-up
Date:  97-02-27 13:15:23 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
Yes, Electronic Innovations is still offering the upgrade.  I do not know if it is still at the same address.  I do know that they do not have a phone number though.

Chris De Herrera
PDA Forum Consultant

Subj:  SPEED UPGRADE?
Date:  97-03-02 05:31:09 EDT
From:  FLFSHR
Posted on:  America Online

CHRIS,

   Could you tell me a little bit about this, "SPEED UP" upgrade? I've never heard of it, but it sounds like something I'd like my Z to do.

   Tanks,
   Dave

Subj:  Re:SPEED UPGRADE?
Date:  97-03-02 13:02:53 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
Basically they double the speed of the internal clock.  It voids your warranty but does increase the speed of the system.  I have not heard of any problems doing it.

Chris De Herrera
PDA Forum Consultant

Subj:  SPEED UP MOD ADDRESS?
Date:  97-03-04 03:06:56 EDT
From:  FLFSHR
Posted on:  America Online

Chris,

   Can you post the address of where to get this done if you still have it?

Dave

Subj:  Re:SPEED UP MOD ADDRESS?
Date:  97-03-05 02:14:30 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
I don't have the current address.

Sorry,
Chris De Herrera
PDA Forum Consultant

Subj:  Re:SPEED UP MOD ADDRESS?
Date:  97-03-05 14:21:21 EDT
From:  SWarfare
Posted on:  America Online

I am happy with my Zoomer running expert mode, but now you are telling me I can double it's speed but you can't tell where to do it?  Man!  Do you know how much this costs?  Any way to get in touch with these folks?

Matt

Subj:  OTHER APP PROGRAMS
Date:  97-03-14 00:20:28 EDT
From:  FLFSHR
Posted on:  America Online

HOW MANY OTHER APPLICATION SOFTWARE INTERPERTERS ARE THERE. I KNOW OF "IZL" AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR IT AND I'VE HEARD OF "PENRIGHT" I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT'S STILL OUT THERE FOR THE Z. IT'S REALLY BECOME A HOBBY AT THIS POINT, BUT I REALLY NEED MORE... WELL, STUFF:)

THANKS,
DAVE IN FL.

Subj:  Re:OTHER APP PROGRAMS
Date:  97-03-14 12:59:54 EDT
From:  PDC ChrisD
Posted on:  America Online

Hi,
Also, you can develop apps in Geos as well.  Geoworks sells the SDK for this. Keyword: GEOWORKS.

Chris De Herrera
PDA Forum Consultant

Subj:  Handheld Sys Conf Final Agenda
Date:  97-03-16 18:33:20 EDT
From:  Cdpubs
Posted on:  America Online

Creative Digital Publishing Inc. is pleased to announce that the final agenda for the Handheld Systems Conference (formerly PDA Developers) has been posted to the company's web site at http://www.cdpubs.com. Entering it's third year, this is the only conference in the world that focuses exclusively on creating handheld hardware and software products. Taking place April 24-26 at the San Francisco Airport Hilton, the event includes a variety of keynotes, panels, and sponsor presentations about handheld computing.

Keynotes are Andrew Seybold, noted industry analyst, Jean Belanger, Chairman and CEO of software development tools creator Metrowerks, and IBM's Thomas Zimmerman, cofounder of the noted virtual reality company VPL Research and inventor of Personal Area Networks. Event sponsors and supporters include Microsoft, Geoworks, Hewlett-Packard, Psion, General Magic, Apple Computer, Nokia Mobile Phones, Palm Computing, Research in Motion, and Pen Computing Magazine.

In addition to several half-day tutorials on creating software for the most popular handheld platforms, there will be panels on Recognizers, Object Stores, Wireless Transports, Emerging Platforms, Smart Phones, Handheld Hardware, Integrating Applications with the Internet and the Desktop, The Business of Handheld Software, and Java Handhelds. Sponsors will also present their latest thinking on handheld technologies, the marketplace, and developer opportunities, in a series of special presentations. There will be 30 - 40 exhibitors, including the Windows CE Pavilion.

Conference registration is $350 until April 15th. A block of rooms is reserved at the San Francisco Airport Hilton until March 23. Press are invited to register for the keynotes and the exhibits, and the exhibits are open to the public at no charge during the afternoons of April 25 and 26. For more information, go to Creative Digital's web site or call 415.621.4252.

Subj:  RE: Speed Upgrade
Date:  97-03-29 19:53:50 EDT
From:  DeanCDavis
Posted on:  America Online

Here is the info for Zoomer speed upgrade.  I haven't sent mine in yet as I can't find the time to be without it!  I couldn't fit the order form into AOL's message area.  E-mail Mr. Popovic for further details.  Cost is $60 ea + S/H, etc.  or $50 if 3 or more.

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                        HARDWARE UPGRADE DETAILS

      This upgrade consists of replacements of the parts (chips) on the Zoomer's motherboard that are directly connected to and dependent of the clock source (crystal). This does not include the replacement of ROM, RAM chips or LCD screen since they can handle the new clock.

      The new clock is ~14MHz. We have a running prototype that was upgraded over six months ago. So far we did not have any problems with it.  The only known downside of this upgrade is that the Zoomer's IR port when linked to the standard Zoomer (with the standard clock of 7MHz)   is not functioning properly. In this case, if you are using Note Book's "Send page" or File Manager's "File Linking" after the time-out period, you will get the following message:

       "Could not establish a connection to the remote machine..."

  This is due to the way the Zoomer's IR port driver is written. This driver obviously uses processor cycles to set the timing for the IR port serial communication. Any program written in such way that it uses processor cycle timing as the time reference may not run as it suppose to.  After the upgrade, the processor cycle duration is one half of the cycle duration of the non-upgraded unit. Therefore, the timings of the IR port are changed, and the old unit would not recognize the new one and vice versa. This problem can be solved by rewriting a portion of the driver that is responsible for the IR port timing. This would take the significant amount of time since it would be necessary to use a disassembler and find and change the portion of the code. The other easier
solution is to use two units that are both running on the same clock speed. We found that as long as both units are running on the same clock IR port communications working OK. Since the IR port timings are directly dependent of the processor clock, the IR port transfer rates are now running twice as fast on the Zoomers that are upgraded. The RS-232 port is working OK with
the new clock and we did not find any problems with it. Due to the fact that the Zoomer does not uses processor cycle timing to run the real-time clock, therefore the time (duration of the seconds) is the same as it was before the upgrade.

      Since we do not change the type of the CPU, the new upgraded Zoomer is 100% software compatible with the regular one, and it will run all the software that regular Zoomer would run.

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Subj:  Re:RE: Speed Upgrade
Date:  97-03-30 00:31:11 EDT
From:  SWarfare
Posted on:  America Online

obviously there is a speed increase in the operating the apps.  Do they open at twice the speed?  In real life, how much faster is the Zoomer?

Subj:  FOLDER FULL
Date:  97-06-06 14:07:15 EDT
From:  PDC Warren
Posted on:  America Online

This Part 1 folder is full.  Please contine your postings in Folder Part 2

Thank you
PDC Warren